6 years isn't a small sample size in my opinion
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6 years isn't a small sample size in my opinion
It is when you had a 4 year starter.
We tried to recruit over Gesell more than once so that doesn't really make sense
Tried to recruit over him or tried to recruit more at his position? And how could you possibly know the difference?
I don't think some of the guys we went after were meant to ride the bench behind Mike. Either way we still recruited a lot of PG's when Mike was here and only landed one in Dickerson that was a miss
deanvogs
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Fran offers 4* and 5* guys every year at the PG, Wing and post. He is always trying to bring top notch kids into the program. For instance they tried hard to land Henry Ellenson a couple years ago. Did Fran hate Uthoff and want to "recruit" over him? He also offers Swanigan that year as well, plus about another 5 differ 4* posts. He only offered 1 4* PG for the 2015 class, so he must not have wanted to recruit over Mike then.
Watson (Nebraska) and Carter (Marquette) were both 4* PG's in 2015 we offered plus Jordan Ash who ended up at Northwestern
deanvogs
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So we were trying to recruit over Mike, as well as Uthoff and Pete too? Don't forget all those highly rated wing players we were offering.
Since when did coaches not try to improve their talent? How is that bad? Truth is, Fran has landed 3 top recruits and one was at the PG position. If you want to say his overall recruiting sucks, at least you have an argument. But saying he recruits point guards worse than all other positions makes no sense.
I'm saying it's not like we weren't going after PG's when Mike was here so it's a small sample size like it was stated earlier. It's not like Fran was just comfortable with Mike and gave up for four years at recruiting the position
He recruits point guards worse than all other positions
deanvogs
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Once again, Fran was doing what he always does, offer high level players. For some reason you assign the reason for recruiting other PG as he wasn't comfortable with Mike.....you don't make the assertion as to why Fran was recruiting other high level wings and posts (he wasn't comfortable with Marble, Pete, Uthoff, White, Woody).
I'll try one more time, and I'm sure it will fail yet again as you are the most dense poster ever and I'm convinced more than ever that you are VintageHawkeye. Fran is always offering high level players at all positions.
Say he develops them worse in I'll listen. Look at Marble and Jok as freshmen and tell me again he "recruits" shooting guards better. Gesell was better as a freshman than either of them were. That means he recruited better with Gesell. The problem is he never really improved.
I was saying this line makes no sense, Fran has been here for 6 years and has recruited the PG position worse than any other position. He's had first time all conference players at SG and SF/PF but never the PG position. To say it's a small sample size because he had a 4 year starter in Mike like he just gave up for 4 years makes no sense
Oh gotcha. But when you have 4 years to find a replacement you can be picky. Maybe he was too picky. Maybe he likes Williams to bridge the gap for one year until his son gets here. Who knows.
It's not like he has some inability to recruit good point guards tho. It's just random that Uthoff, Marble and White all ended up really good to make them stand out more than Gesell (who was supposed to be better than all of them). If Gesell had the great career it looked like he would have after his freshman year, and White and Marble didn't over achieve so much, the narrative that Fran sucks at recruiting point guards would be completely flipped. So like I said, it's all random luck right now. If Fran ends up here for 20 years, I wouldn't be surprised if he is remembered for his great point guards when it's all said and done. I say that because he was a point guard and it sure looks like he knows how to spot them.
That's like saying it's random luck KF can't recruit WR's
So tell me what you think it is then. Did he develop Marble, White, and Uthoff into the great players they are and turn Mike into the not so good player he is? Or is he better at spotting under the radar 2s, 3s, and 4s than he is at 1s?
If it's the first option, it means he sucks at developing point guards, not recruiting them. If it's the second option, how do you explain him finding all these great point guards at a young age?
I don't think it's either option. To me it's pretty obvious he got lucky with Marble and White turning out to be late developers so they out played their ranking. He got unlucky with Gesell because he never improved much. Those 3 players give the perception that he is somehow worse at recruiting point guards. But did he really do a great job of recruiting Marble and White? Or did he get kinda lucky? Did he do a poor job recruiting Gesell? Or did he get kinda unlucky? Like I said, it's a few players that give off a false impression. Small sample size.
It's not a small sample size when he's offered probably 30 PG's and has best thing to show is Mike who was honorable mention all conference as a senior
FirstDownHawkeyes
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I think it is a recruiting issue and not development. Gesell was closer to his max potential when he arrived on campus than most players are. I think that is why he only had 2 power 5 offers (Iowa and NE) despite being a "top 100" recruit.
NikeHawk21
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I think for MG it was a developmental issue, but I'm not sure who's to blame, in a way I think he was sort of a mental midget.
The guy literally did not develop a left hand for four years. He never figured out how to use the rim to protect from shot blockers. Those are things that many high school players can do.