Charlie Moore scores 38

[deanvogs]

Moore struggled last night and only got 17 points. Only averaging 20.3 ppg on the season

Did u do a Ulis update every game when Fran missed on him? Also don't say I didn't warn ya, as this is heading into Clown troll mode. I have seen you be branded a Clown before and that will get more and more regular as you continue this Moore troll you are pushing.

 

[Hawk5656]

Did u do a Ulis update every game when Fran missed on him? Also don't say I didn't warn ya, as this is heading into Clown troll mode. I have seen you be branded a Clown before and that will get more and more regular as you continue this Moore troll you are pushing.

Calm down I did it just to mess with you a bit but I guess anyone that questions our PG position is a troll

 

[PCHawk]

While this whole thread seems to be a bunch of sour grapes, 56 has a point that Fran struggles to recuit top end point guards. He does a great job at recognizing talent before most other schools and gets in the mix early. However, he hasn't found that one player yet. It's unfortunate because PG IMO is the most important position on the court. Hopefully Fran grabs one or CW/JB develop into some players.

As far as Moore goes, once "outside" factors started getting into the mix, Fran jumped ship. And quite frankly, I agree with him

How has Fran struggled with pg recruiting. He's signed 3 top 100 players so far and one was a pg.

 

[deanvogs]

Calm down I did it just to mess with you a bit but I guess anyone that questions our PG position is a troll

Dude you know this is a troll. It is pointed at me, but this ain't my website bro, lots of others read it and see exactly what you are doing. Doesn't make you seem like a Iowa fan is all I'm saying. Oh and I've been plenty critical of Fran myself, yet I don't troll everyone over my issues with him.

 

[Hawk5656]

Dude you know this is a troll. It is pointed at me, but this ain't my website bro, lots of others read it and see exactly what you are doing. Doesn't make you seem like a Iowa fan is all I'm saying. Oh and I've been plenty critical of Fran myself, yet I don't troll everyone over my issues with him.

I trolled you because you tried to downplay Moore's success by bringing up his assists numbers when he's been scoring off the charts so far. I've been very consistent on my thoughts about this team and Fran including who I really like and who I'm not a fan of. I think Jok is going to lead the B1G in scoring, I think Cook is going to have a monster career here and I think Baer is the glue guy this team can lean on. Not having a quality PG is going to most likely cost us a chance at a 4th straight NCAA bid but saying that makes it seem like I'm not an Iowa fan?

 

[deanvogs]

I trolled you because you tried to downplay Moore's success by bringing up his assists numbers when he's been scoring off the charts so far. I've been very consistent on my thoughts about this team and Fran including who I really like and who I'm not a fan of. I think Jok is going to lead the B1G in scoring, I think Cook is going to have a monster career here and I think Baer is the glue guy this team can lean on. Not having a quality PG is going to most likely cost us a chance at a 4th straight NCAA bid but saying that makes it seem like I'm not an Iowa fan?

Cool, You have been saying that for the last 6 months to a year. Moore ain't here, Williams and Bohannon are, it is what it is. Having to hear you cry about it for the past 6 month sucked.......Now you wanna step it up to outright trolling???? We all understood your stance before you created this troll thread, so I don't get the reasoning of stepping it up to full blown troll mode?

 

[Hawk5656]

Cool, You have been saying that for the last 6 months to a year. Moore ain't here, Williams and Bohannon are, it is what it is. Having to hear you cry about it for the past 6 month sucked.......Now you wanna step it up to outright trolling???? We all understood your stance before you created this trim thread, so I don't get the reasoning of stepping it up to full blown troll mode?

I was just trolling you specifically. Relax, I thought you could take it otherwise I wouldn't have done it. You also have to understand from my point of view the last 6 months I've been listening to people tell me Williams was going to average 10-12 ppg too when I knew that wasn't going to be the case. Also I didn't create this thread

 

[PCHawk]

I was just trolling you specifically. Relax, I thought you could take it otherwise I wouldn't have done it. You also have to understand from my point of view the last 6 months I've been listening to people tell me Williams was going to average 10-12 ppg too when I knew that wasn't going to be the case. Also I didn't create this thread

Someone has to be the 2nd leading scorer. On a fast paced team, the 2nd leading scorer will get 10 points per game (maybe even the 3rd leading). Picking a guy who is one of the few sure starters is a pretty good guess. The thought process on the prediction was sound. If I thought Cook would be this good, I would have predicted Williams at around 7-8 points per game. Maybe that will still be too high, maybe it won't be. There is around lot of year left and Fran is pushing him to be more aggressive.

 

[deanvogs]

I was just trolling you specifically. Relax, I thought you could take it otherwise I wouldn't have done it. You also have to understand from my point of view the last 6 months I've been listening to people tell me Williams was going to average 10-12 ppg too when I knew that wasn't going to be the case. Also I didn't create this thread

I know what you were doing, but you have to be at least somewhat self aware on this and understand it makes you just look like a troll. I can take a troll, heck I'll just keep on trolling you back. Anyone who wants to bash on the Hawks in a trolling type way, I'll get right up in that and return fire. I just wanted you to understand what you were looking like trolling the Hawks like you are.

Maybe help me out with this tho, why single me out (which I knew you were doing)? The ONLY thing I have ever ever done is refused to pronounce Williams and Bohannon DOA. I have said we will miss Mike's & AC's Defense. I have said time and time again I have reservations about our PG's. There were plenty of people who were talking about how they thought the PG would be better than Mike and AC, I wasn't one of them.

 

[Hawk5656]

I know what you were doing, but you have to be at least somewhat self aware on this and understand it makes you just look like a troll. I can take a troll, heck I'll just keep on trolling you back. Anyone who wants to bash on the Hawks in a trolling type way, I'll get right up in that and return fire. I just wanted you to understand what you were looking like trolling the Hawks like you are.

Maybe help me out with this tho, why single me out (which I knew you were doing)? The ONLY thing I have ever ever done is refused to pronounce Williams and Bohannon DOA. I have said we will miss Mike's & AC's Defense. I have said time and time again I have reservations about our PG's. There were plenty of people who were talking about how they thought the PG would be better than Mike and AC, I wasn't one of them.

I only singled you out about Moore because you were trying to discredit what he's done with his assists.

 

[ShockHawk22]

How has Fran struggled with pg recruiting. He's signed 3 top 100 players so far and one was a pg.

I dont see how the other 2 top 100 players are relevant to my post. I just was referring to Fran being in on many top shelf PG and missing out. Not saying anything negative, top shelf point guards seem to be Fran's white whale.

I really want CW to develop into what Fran thinks he can. 6'6" point guard with arms that long would be something special.

 

[deanvogs]

I only singled you out about Moore because you were trying to discredit what he's done with his assists.

I didn't discredit anything. You pointed out his Points, I pointed out his PG stats. Moore now at .42 Assist/turnover ratio. That just doesn't look like good PG number to me is all. Doesn't look like good number for a C even, but that is just me I guess.

It is what it is, those the stats. If you wanna keep trolling because I point that out, go right ahead.

 

[PCHawk]

I dont see how the other 2 top 100 players are relevant to my post. I just was referring to Fran being in on many top shelf PG and missing out. Not saying anything negative, top shelf point guards seem to be Fran's white whale.

I really want CW to develop into what Fran thinks he can. 6'6" point guard with arms that long would be something special.

You singled out pg as his weakness but his 3rd highest rated player he landed was a point guard. If you want to say he is weak at recruiting a certain position, I would say shooting guard and wing are worse.

 

[PCHawk]

Just because he happened to barely miss more highly ranked point guards doesn't make him worse at recruiting them. In my opinion it means he's better. He hasn't really "almost landed" high ranked recruits at any other position. What position would you say he has recruited better?

1-one top 100 player
2-zero top 100 players
3-zero top 100 players
4-one top 100 player
5-one top 10p player

 

[ShockHawk22]

You singled out pg as his weakness but his 3rd highest rated player he landed was a point guard. If you want to say he is weak at recruiting a certain position, I would say shooting guard and wing are worse.

Gessell was a pretty good pick up. That was 5 years ago. How has Fran done since then? AC struggled his first couple of seasons then it came together and he was pretty solid. Dickerson was a flop. And now we turn it over to CW/JB. Who might develop into players in the future but now are inexperienced. Why did we go from a 4 year starting senior to a true sophomore who only saw the court a handful of times at a new position, and a true freshman? Because Fran missed on a few guys.

Nothing wrong with swinging and missing

 

[deanvogs]

Just because he happened to barely miss more highly ranked point guards doesn't make him worse at recruiting them. In my opinion it means he's better. He hasn't really "almost landed" high ranked recruits at any other position. What position would you say he has recruited better?

1-one top 100 player
2-zero top 100 players
3-zero top 100 players
4-one top 100 player
5-one top 10p player

Plus we never "nearly" had any of those PG recruits. Ulis wasn't coming here (said he would have picked MSU if not for the Kentucky offer) and Moore (his top 3 were Memphis, Cal and VCU) was never going to come to Iowa, neither was Pritchard, Carr, Simpson and Winston.

 

[Hawk5656]

You singled out pg as his weakness but his 3rd highest rated player he landed was a point guard. If you want to say he is weak at recruiting a certain position, I would say shooting guard and wing are worse.

If you're just strictly going off rankings that makes sense but look at Marble and Jok who weren't highly ranked guys and were better than Mike. PG position has been the weakness of Fran when it comes to recruiting, I don't know how you could disagree with that

 

[ShockHawk22]

Just because he happened to barely miss more highly ranked point guards doesn't make him worse at recruiting them. In my opinion it means he's better. He hasn't really "almost landed" high ranked recruits at any other position. What position would you say he has recruited better?

1-one top 100 player
2-zero top 100 players
3-zero top 100 players
4-one top 100 player
5-one top 10p player

Maybe highly recruited is a bad term, I apologize. Is true point guard a better term? I think Fran is great at bringing in lengthy guys who have handle and can shoot. My proof is he has a team full of them with more coming. Those are great qualities, but a true PG who can distribute and get into the lane etc etc (like MG showed glimpses of) is something Fran has struggled with. Is that better?

 

[PCHawk]

If you're just strictly going off rankings that makes sense but look at Marble and Jok who weren't highly ranked guys and were better than Mike. PG position has been the weakness of Fran when it comes to recruiting, I don't know how you could disagree with that

True but I assumed that's what we were going off of since we have no idea how Gesell's replacements will be. Maybe Bohannon is a great and we will talk about how awesome Fran's recruiting is.

 

[PCHawk]

Maybe highly recruited is a bad term, I apologize. Is true point guard a better term? I think Fran is great at bringing in lengthy guys who have handle and can shoot. My proof is he has a team full of them with more coming. Those are great qualities, but a true PG who can distribute and get into the lane etc etc (like MG showed glimpses of) is something Fran has struggled with. Is that better?

That's fine. It's just a small sample size since he's only been here 6 years and had a 4 year starter who was supposed to be that guy.

If we want to say Fran has missed more at that position I agree. But I think most stats to this point are random due to sample size.