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BGOLD said:
This is true, but you need great guard play to play this style effectively, mobile bigs, and shooters to space the floor.
Instead, we had Wagner, Cook, and Kreiner in at the same time with Wagner playing the 3. Expect to see more of this with Garza next year.
Position-less basketball is effective with Draymond Green playing the 5 (a natural 3 or 4) with a bunch of shooters. It's not going to be effective with a natural 4 or 5 playing the 3 with two other bigs on the floor with no spacing.
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Again wrong. I think the point is you don't need great guard play in this style. The point of this system is to exploit the mismatches where they present themselves. I.e if a big lumbering big man tries to check Cook, you let him dribble up the floor and attack. Or if a smaller guard tries to defend Williams we post him up.

Look I'm not saying that this is the best strategy. But I am saying that is the strategy that Fran decided to use when he recruited these players. And that is also not to say that had he landed a Charlie Moore, he wouldn't have changed his strategy. I think one of Fran's strengths is his ability to adapt to our roster (unlike our FB coach).

Also, pretty funny that you bring up Wagner and Kreiner, who are reserves. Look at our starting 5, all 6'5-6'9, all can dribble, shoot, and pass (to a certain extent).
 
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deanvogs said:
That was old news by then. You need to follow the timeline. I think Moore claims he has an offer like the beginning of April, middle of April Cook is "recruiting" Moore. A week or two later the Mac Fire coach says they are talking visit. Visit never happens, end of story.

Like I said earlier if you wanna talk about every recruit that "talked" to Fran and had an offer, then knock yourself out. TJ Leaf once has us in his top 10, you gonna give us weekly updates on him? Williams had us on his top 3 I think, you gonna update us on him? Collins had us up their, nothing yet again, we gonna get updates?

Moore was never going to come to Iowa once the handlers got involved. Fran don't play that game (and no I'm not saying Moore was paid, not all handlers get paid). What I am saying is Fran recruits kids, not the handlers and will walk once it becomes obvious that the handlers are controlling or have a lot of control of the situation.
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Moore and Iowa was a real thing both times through. He visited Iowa two times on his own dime and we offered two separate times. He would be a guaranteed starter for us. Also I didn't start this thread so I must not be the only one who cares about it
 
Hawk5656 said:
Moore and Iowa was a real thing both times through. He visited Iowa two times on his own dime and we offered two separate times. He would be a guaranteed starter for us. Also I didn't start this thread so I must not be the only one who cares about it
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It was a "real" thing to you, the reality was it didn't happen the first time, and was even less likely to happen the second time.

TJ Leaf would be a guaranteed starter as well, still no mentions of him. Of course we all know why, it is because you bitch, moan and complained about Williams and Bohannon all offseason, so you are "dreaming" of Moore. We constantly miss out on 4* and 5* kids that would come here and start immediately.....but you focus only on the PG position because you make it very clear and very obvious that you don't like the ones we have.
 
deanvogs said:
It was a "real" thing to you, the reality was it didn't happen the first time, and was even less likely to happen the second time.

TJ Leaf would be a guaranteed starter as well, still no mentions of him. Of course we all know why, it is because you bitch, moan and complained about Williams and Bohannon all offseason, so you are "pinning" for Moore. We constantly miss out on 4* and 5* kids that would come here and start immediately.....but you focus only on the PG position because you make it very clear and very obvious that you don't like the ones we have.
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Leaf never visited here, he was never coming. Moore was a legit possibility. We were considered the leader for him for a lot of his first recruitment and then offered him when the second time around
 
Hawk5656 said:
Leaf never visited here, he was never coming. Moore was a legit possibility. We were considered the leader for him for a lot of his first recruitment and then offered him when the second time around
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Like I keep saying, if you wanna believe Moore was coming here, knock yourself out. There was a reason Fran offered Bohannon in August and accepted his commitment, well before the November signing day. Heck when that happened, you still probably thought Iowa "had a shot" with Moore and didn't understand why Fran was offering Jordon.
 
deanvogs said:
Like I keep saying, if you wanna believe Moore was coming here, knock yourself out. There was a reason Fran offered Bohannon in August and accepted his commitment, well before the November signing day. Heck when that happened, you still probably thought Iowa "had a shot" with Moore and didn't understand why Fran was offering Jordon.
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Fran offered Bohannon after he knew he missed on Moore and then offered him and missed again in the Spring
 
deanvogs said:
Are we going to see threads about Williams at Louisville (Iowa offer) or TJ Leaf (Iowa offer) or Zach Collins (Iowa offer). I mean Fran offered all those highly ranked guys and never go them to Iowa, why not start threads on all of them?

Iowa is going to always whiff on way more guys than they sign. It is just the way it is, I don't know why some only pick out the PG position. Moore was never close to coming to Iowa, it wasn't going to happen, just like Williams, Leaf and Collins weren't coming here either.
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It is weird how people have the impression that Fran recruits the point guard position worse than the other 4 positions. It must be because there were a couple really high rated ones we missed out on, and Gesell not panning out as good as we hoped. Truth is, Fran's 3rd highest ranked recruit was a point guard so how can you say he recruits that position bad?
 
PCHawk said:
It is weird how people have the impression that Fran recruits the point guard position worse than the other 4 positions. It must be because there were a couple really high rated ones we missed out on, and Gesell not panning out as good as we hoped. Truth is, Fran's 3rd highest ranked recruit was a point guard so how can you say he recruits that position bad?
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The bottom line is 56 hates Williams and Bohannon at the PG, that is why he posted about Moore.
 
deanvogs said:
I think this is exactly what Fran is selling. I think it was Rob's article (maybe it was a Rivals article?) that quoted Fran and recruiting the 2020 PG to Iowa. Fran was selling him that he wasn't going to be solely a PG, that with the motion offense you become part of that, not just an all the time traditional PG.

There are pluses and minus to this, hopefully Fran can use the long athletes the way he wants, and it isn't an issue.
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. You let me know when Fran has a roster full of NBA talent and I'll tell you when we can win a BIG title.
 
deanvogs said:
I have no idea how good they will be, and I have said to you a number of time that I have my reservations. What I wasn't going to do if declare them DOA like you.
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People thought we wouldn't have a drop off at the PG position this year which was just plain dumb. I already miss MG and Sapp
 
Hawk5656 said:
People thought we wouldn't have a drop off at the PG position this year which was just plain dumb. I already miss MG and Sapp
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I wasn't one of them, I am right with you that CW and JoBo will be a drop off, especially defensively if you recall. Boy was that apparent tonight.
 
Hopefully, Williams and Bohannon will make you forget about Gesell and Clemmons in the big games coming up. This team did stink it up defensively, but I remember a lot of games last year where the other team got lots of driving layups. I think Jok had a lot to do with the Iowa lapse on defense, and you shouldn't have to teach defense to a senior. When your star senior doesn't play defense, it probably carries over to the younger players.
 
NikeHawk21 said:
Again wrong. I think the point is you don't need great guard play in this style. The point of this system is to exploit the mismatches where they present themselves. I.e if a big lumbering big man tries to check Cook, you let him dribble up the floor and attack. Or if a smaller guard tries to defend Williams we post him up.

Look I'm not saying that this is the best strategy. But I am saying that is the strategy that Fran decided to use when he recruited these players. And that is also not to say that had he landed a Charlie Moore, he wouldn't have changed his strategy. I think one of Fran's strengths is his ability to adapt to our roster (unlike our FB coach).

Also, pretty funny that you bring up Wagner and Kreiner, who are reserves. Look at our starting 5, all 6'5-6'9, all can dribble, shoot, and pass (to a certain extent).
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The whole point of the system is to exploit mismatches. In order to do so you need spacing. In order to have spacing you need shooters.
So like I said...
 
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