Brian/Nate's Objective Performance

[uihawk82]

Since BF took over in 2017, we are 1 for 11 against teams that finished the season with an above .500 conference record. We have won exactly ONE big game in the last two and a half years. I included this year's games against Michigan and PSU because it looks like Michigan will be above .500 and PSU already is. And before anyone goes and says the defense is part of it too...that's a ridiculous thing to even consider. Iowa was 17th in the country in points allowed in '17, 11th in 2018, and they sit at 3rd in the nation right now.

There have been a lot of ideas and info in replies to this thread.

One was about goals. Some lady named Sally called WHO Soundoff after last Saturday's game. She really read everyone the riot act about being so mad about not scoring much, about being boring, about not winning titles, etc. Well she was really clobbered by most callers after that.

As far as goals, every P5 team sets goals and they are usually win every game, win your division and Conf Title, play for and win a Natty Champ. Those are the basic goals. Most teams do not play for or win a Natty Title EVER anymore. A lot of teams dont win their conference over a few decades. A smaller %age dont win their division if they are in one.

I think this coaching staff should be winning a Division Title once every 3-4 years, maybe even every two to three years as most years they have main competition from one team, Wisky. I cant remember when they went to divisions but the hawks have won one in maybe ten, that is 1 for 10. That is not good especially with Illinois, Minny, NW, Purdue, and even Nebby pretty down in their abilities over this time.

The record against winning or .500 teams in the Big 10 the last 2.5 years is bad especially when the offense can do the job sometimes like the whooping on OSU and hanging 50+ at Nebby. Statiscally with Iowa as a 8 win avg team they should win once every 3 times against a winning team

AND they shouldnt get beat so many times by the sub-.500 teams.

So say it, not enough big wins in conference and too many losses to poorer teams in conf.

That is not a good record and the hawks should be winning on avg 1.5 more games a year.

BF is not doing that great a job as OC and I do not see any qualifications to be an HC.

 

[hawkeyes87]

BF is not the next coach at Iowa until he is and it's gonna take a lot more. I would say winning the West this year would be step 1..

If it happens this year it will most likely be due to their D.

Would you still count that a full feather in BF's cap? No requirement for his unit to pull equal, or close, weight?

 

[Fryowa]

How bout we just count ALL the games like every other person in the world?

Would you watch a contest to see who could whisper the loudest?

 

[deanvogs]

How bout we just count ALL the games like every other person in the world?

Because then the picture doesn't look the way Da Haters want. It is very typical, and they do this all the time. Certain things don't matter, certain wins don't count, blah, blah, blah.

 

[Fryowa]

There have been a lot of ideas and info in replies to this thread.

One was about goals. Some lady named Sally called WHO Soundoff after last Saturday's game. She really read everyone the riot act about being so mad about not scoring much, about being boring, about not winning titles, etc. Well she was really clobbered by most callers after that.

As far as goals, every P5 team sets goals and they are usually win every game, win your division and Conf Title, play for and win a Natty Champ. Those are the basic goals. Most teams do not play for or win a Natty Title EVER anymore. A lot of teams dont win their conference over a few decades. A smaller %age dont win their division if they are in one.

I think this coaching staff should be winning a Division Title once every 3-4 years, maybe even every two to three years as most years they have main competition from one team, Wisky. I cant remember when they went to divisions but the hawks have won one in maybe ten, that is 1 for 10. That is not good especially with Illinois, Minny, NW, Purdue, and even Nebby pretty down in their abilities over this time.

The record against winning or .500 teams in the Big 10 the last 2.5 years is bad especially when the offense can do the job sometimes like the whooping on OSU and hanging 50+ at Nebby. Statiscally with Iowa as a 8 win avg team they should win once every 3 times against a winning team

AND they shouldnt get beat so many times by the sub-.500 teams.

So say it, not enough big wins in conference and too many losses to poorer teams in conf.

That is not a good record and the hawks should be winning on avg 1.5 more games a year.

BF is not doing that great a job as OC and I do not see any qualifications to be an HC.

I do not expect a national title.

But I do think a Conference title is achievable. It's been done before. Brian has shown that he isn't capable of winning crucial games in pursuit of that goal.

 

[Fryowa]

Because then the picture doesn't look the way Da Haters want. It is very typical, and they do this all the time. Certain things don't matter, certain wins don't count, blah, blah, blah.

You still haven't shown me how out of conference games or AP rankings apply to Big Ten standings.

I'm waiting.

Hurry the hell up.

 

[InGoodCo]

I'm not sure if KF will directly name his successor but we all know he's never getting fired. He'll retire when he wants to. And I'm thinking he'll hold on until he has assurances from the powers that be that Brian is the next HC.

I agree with that - he's never being fired. He will walk away on his own accord. I don't see a guy who cares that much about Iowa football holding the school ransom so his kid has the HC job. BF can go get a HC job at smaller level schools tomorrow and earn his way back to Iowa just like daddy did. They're covered financially. He knows key holders at every level of the sport if he needed to use his influence to help Brian get a job. I don't really get why everyone believes daddy is setting up Brian. I think daddy is just trying to win as many games as he can for his own legacy.... if that jives with BF being the next coach at the school I am sure he would be happy but I don't think there are many "sure things" in life.... the next HC at Iowa being one of them.

 

[deanvogs]

On what planet does being "in the top 25" mean anything other than feel-good?

You just keep showing more and more that you don't care about winning anything other than the opportunity to go watch an exhibition game against some middle of the road SEC team in December.

Top 25 doesn't win the West, or the B1G, or anything else. It's a fucking figure skating score popularity contest.

Give me a substantive example of what being ranked does to the outcome of your season and your finish in the conference standings.

Jesus Christ @Fryowa it is almost like you still think it is 1980. Yeah, the national rankings make a big difference in recruiting, the Iowa coaches have even said so.

Lets say you go 7-2 in conference play, but don't win the West, lets say Wisconsin wins it at 8-1. Let say you finish 8-5 overall after a bowl loss and 2 non conference losses. You really think that is somehow better than going 10-3 with a perfect non conference and a 6-3 conference record?

 

[uihawk82]

You still haven't shown me how out of conference games or AP rankings apply to Big Ten standings.

I'm waiting.

Hurry the hell up.

Well this is why I always say I will take 9-0 or 8-1 in the Big 10 even if it means almost always losing to ISU.

Big 10 games are almost always more important that OOC games as they point more toward your goals.

Now if let's say Iowa was playing a really good N Dame team one year instead of ISU I would want that win maybe over 1 decent Big 10 win just for bragging rights and some Pub.

 

[Fryowa]

I agree with that - he's never being fired. He will walk away on his own accord. I don't see a guy who cares that much about Iowa football holding the school ransom so his kid has the HC job. BF can go get a HC job at smaller level schools tomorrow and earn his way back to Iowa just like daddy did. They're covered financially. He knows key holders at every level of the sport if he needed to use his influence to help Brian get a job. I don't really get why everyone believes daddy is setting up Brian. I think daddy is just trying to win as many games as he can for his own legacy.... if that jives with BF being the next coach at the school I am sure he would be happy but I don't think there are many "sure things" in life.... the next HC at Iowa being one of them.

Barta got the extension he did to make sure that the transition is as smooth as possible. There's no way someone with his job performace gets seven figures of guaranteed salary after the Greasebomb and other fiascos.

And that's not just my take, most of the Iowa beat media, who have been in place for a loooooong time have said as much in articles and social media.

 

[deanvogs]

You still haven't shown me how out of conference games or AP rankings apply to Big Ten standings.

I'm waiting.

Hurry the hell up.

I never said they apply to Big Ten standing you stupid shit. I said they apply to National ranking. 99% of fans don't think the planet revolves around the B1G and they realize that overall records matter, and matter a ton.

 

[Northside Hawk]

disagree - he needs a lot more then a last name, one of which most Iowa fans are fatigued on. It probably hurts him the longer this goes without "something".

I disagree too, and agree with you. But I'm not Barta or the boosters.

 

[InGoodCo]

Would you watch a contest to see who could whisper the loudest?

no, but I imagine you might. You would start watching the contest 5 to 10 minutes late, watch some of the middle and see 1 kid crushing it with his "inside voice" , then turn it off the last 10 minutes and then say "THAT GUY I SAW IS THE WINNER FOR SURE".

 

[Fryowa]

Jesus Christ @Fryowa it is almost like you still think it is 1980. Yeah, the national rankings make a big difference in recruiting, the Iowa coaches have even said so.

Lets say you go 7-2 in conference play, but don't win the West, lets say Wisconsin wins it at 8-1. Let say you finish 8-5 overall after a bowl loss and 2 non conference losses. You really think that is somehow better than going 10-3 with a perfect non conference and a 6-3 conference record?

LOLOLOL!!!!

Now you're grasping straws.

So (since you;re in the business of getting me to "admit" to things), that ranking has no bearing on where you finish in the standings.

Jesus man, you're getting even dumber than normal here, but I'll humor you and play along.

You think a recruit is going to think a #14 ranking or whatever is a bigger deal than a conference championship? Good lord.

 

[uihawk82]

I do not expect a national title.

But I do think a Conference title is achievable. It's been done before. Brian has shown that he isn't capable of winning crucial games in pursuit of that goal.

Well yeah, Natty Title is the hardest goal and the hawks hardly even win their division so it seems logical. If you could build an Iowa team out of their best KF players you could have a Natty Champ caliber club but Iowa is not that deep or talented. And even if the hawks have the good offense and good defense we usually dont play a QB with the wheels needed to win the Super huge games (that is a coaching decision),

 

[chucktownhawk]

In the eyes of Barta and the boosters, Brian does have SOMETHING.

His last name, and that's all he needs.

Well, that's just stupid. I hail from from a german/dutch background, but I don't get any free wooden shoes. WTF?

 

[Northside Hawk]

Like I said in the last two posts, show me how 11-0 in non conference games has any bearing on a conference title.

I'll wait...

If you want feel good, participation trophy "credit," knock yourself out. None of those 11 games does anything to win a title. You're basically saying that you don't care about comparative success, and that your idea of a successful season is getting to go to Florida to watch the 78th Hawkeye Outback Bowl. And that's fine; I got no problem with that.

But if we're looking to win a B1G at some point, then losing to almost every decent conference foe every year isn't going to cut it.

It's not the record in non con, it's who and where you play.

Non con games don't count for or against your conference record, but they toughen you up for the in conference games that do if you've scheduled correctly. That's how Tom Izzo and Bo Ryan, and before them Bobby Knight and Gene Keady, won or shared so many conference titles. They could invade tough road venues on big stages and walk out of there with the win.

Iowa could schedule tougher, play in some tough road environments, and perhaps that 1-10 would be better. Unfortunately with the pressure on to win every game possible, or lose one maximum, to make that puny four team playoff, marquee non con matchups are less common than ever. Not just with Iowa but across the board. And they won't come back until the playoffs are expanded to 8 or 16 teams.

 

[deanvogs]

LOLOLOL!!!!

Now you're grasping straws.

So (since you;re in the business of getting me to "admit" to things), that ranking has no bearing on where you finish in the standings.

Jesus man, you're getting even dumber than normal here, but I'll humor you and play along.

You think a recruit is going to think a #14 ranking or whatever is a bigger deal than a conference championship? Good lord.

Dude I follow recruiting closely, and yeah top 25 finishes to matter coaches say as much all the time.

You live in bizzaro world @Fryowa and only in your bizzaro do 11 wins not matter at all. I will give you that conference games are more important than non conference games, but to call them "pre season" or "scrimmages" just means you no longer live in reality with the college football landscape these days.

 

[InGoodCo]

Barta got the extension he did to make sure that the transition is as smooth as possible. There's no way someone with his job performace gets seven figures of guaranteed salary after the Greasebomb and other fiascos.

And that's not just my take, most of the Iowa beat media, who have been in place for a loooooong time have said as much in articles and social media.

Oh you mean, went 12-0 and to the Rose Bowl right before he got that extension - is that what you mean by someone with his job performance?

I watch, read, listen to and digest EVERY single one of those Iowa beat guys and they all say the same thing. Brian Ferentz will be the next coach at Iowa if "they win" more while he's in this position. None of them say it's a done deal. You do a lot tho.

 

[Fryowa]

Oh you mean, went 12-0 and to the Rose Bowl right before he got that extension - is that what you mean by someone with his job performance?

I watch, read, listen to and digest EVERY single one of those Iowa beat guys and they all say the same thing. Brian Ferentz will be the next coach at Iowa if "they win" more while he's in this position. None of them say it's a done deal. You do a lot tho.

Gary Barta got his contract extension in August of this year...

https://dailyiowan.com/2019/08/07/iowa-ad-barta-receives-contract-extension/