Brian/Nate's Objective Performance

[homes]

At this point we have to say that BF has been a failure as OC. Iowa wins despite offense, it's FG and defense that save the day for us. I'd have to think Iowa's record would be even worse if it wasn't for Wadley and his big play ability.

Against the non conference this year Iowa averaged over 34ppg. Once we got to conference play, it's just over 15ppg. Yes, quality of teams get better in conference but to not even get over 20ppg in this era of college football is pathetic.

There is so much blame to go around, and most of it starts at the top. This is what KF football is after 2006. He wants ball control, clock control, and defense to pitch shutouts. 99% of our passing attack is within FIVE yards of the LOS, and directed towards the sideline. This is to minimize risk & turnovers. Stanley throws a bad pass to the sideline, most likely it's 10 yards over the WR head and no risk to be INT.

To think the bye week will clean some things up is delusional. WI is going to eat this offense's lunch. I'm not going to predict a beat down like others, instead I think it'll be a 13-10 game. It's rare these games are high scoring. Iowa's defense is legit and I can see them slowing down Taylor.

But like usual, and the record that was mentioned above....Iowa does not beat teams with winning records. Unless the defense scores 2+ TD, it'll be another loss and division champion goes down with it

Here's a tip. Save yourself the agony and don't watch the Wisconsin game. If Iowa wins, you can watch it later. If they lose, you get to say I told you so.

 

[Fryowa]

except it's only 10 out of 11 when you cherry pick the numbers. I recall them beating an above average ISU team all 3 seasons, Boston College, Mississippi State.... look, it's not great, but you're leaving out games against quality opponents that they've won during this time and it's not really a full picture.

I was 100% crystal clear in my OP why I picked the games.

They are all conference games since BF has been the OC and Nate the QB. Non-cons and Bowl games have zero impact on division and conference championships. None.

You could lose every single non-con every year and still win the Big Ten.

If you want to consider them that's fine, but they are totally irrelevant to conference championships which unless you're in this for nostalgia are the only thing that matters.

 

[Fryowa]

The bottom line is Brian Ferentz is NOT going to be Iowa's next HC without some sort of level of achievement for the program with him as the OC...a Rose Bowl, a conference title, a west title. SOMETHING. Iowa is going to have to win SOMETHING with him as the OC - period. He has not done enough to get the keys to the kingdom and I think people that keep telling us he has are just trolling at their finest. There is no done deal, there is no bottom line. I believe the next HC at Iowa is going to be ANY other person in the world besides BF without something tangible and to be honest, I am cheering for them to bring something like that home so I can get on the bandwagon. I'd welcome it any day now.

Would you like to put $50 on that to the children's hospital?

Love me or hate me I'm a man of my word and I pay up...always.

I will offer you this: If Iowa does not win a conference title, B1G West title, or make a Rose Bowl by the time Kirk Ferentz dies or retires, Brian Ferentz will be the next head coach.

 

[Fryowa]

He has not done enough to get the keys to the kingdom and I think people that keep telling us he has are just trolling at their finest.

Rob of all people was asked that question straight up a few days ago and he gave a point blank, one word answer, "Yes."

He has an exponentially better feel for the program and has known all of these guys personally for over a decade; is he trolling?

 

[westender]

Best thing that could happen probably is Barta and Kirk retire at same time and AD is hired to then hire next HC. Interesting question to pose, who goes first Barta or Kirk? Would not shock me if Barta moved on first.

 

[InGoodCo]

I was 100% crystal clear in my OP why I picked the games.

They are all conference games since BF has been the OC and Nate the QB. Non-cons and Bowl games have zero impact on division and conference championships. None.

You could lose every single non-con every year and still win the Big Ten.

If you want to consider them that's fine, but they are totally irrelevant to conference championships which unless you're in this for nostalgia is the only thing that matters.

You paint it how you wanna paint it, the point still stands that Iowa has beaten some quality teams the last 3 seasons and I (personally) just can't pick "some" of them to look at. I chose to just look at ALL of it.

Brian Ferentz hasn't done NEAR enough to be the HC at Iowa - we both agree with that.

 

[westender]

Funny too, many have stated we haven't had great receivers, until maybe this year and that maybe at least one TE was not utilized well last year by the HC/OC, but yet it is all Nate's fault. Has he missed some open throws, for sure. But just imagine a competent and CONSISTENT run game for all his years.

 

[4thngoal]

Yeah we definitely need to get the ol and rb situation squared away.
Goodson with a couple more pounds and no loss in ability could be special, but we need to start finding who is going to compliment and spell him.
But we absolutely have to get the OL straightened out. I don't care if we have to hire some old players or whoever as consultants, we need to improve big time.
It's almost difficult to look at this team and see much in the way of draft prospects.
That's a tough pill to swallow, but the truth hurts. I'm not talking just ol either.

 

[Fryowa]

You paint it how you wanna paint it, the point still stands that Iowa has beaten some quality teams the last 3 seasons and I (personally) just can't pick "some" of them to look at. I chose to just look at ALL of it.

Brian Ferentz hasn't done NEAR enough to be the HC at Iowa - we both agree with that.

That may be, but I'm not painting anything.

ISU, BC, and Mississippi State have zero effect on winning the West division or B1G title.

If conference titles aren't your measure of success (even BF has said that is the absolute goal everyone on the team/staff is expected to have), what are you playing this game for?

Just for fun? A participation trophy?

 

[Fryowa]

You paint it how you wanna paint it, the point still stands that Iowa has beaten some quality teams the last 3 seasons and I (personally) just can't pick "some" of them to look at. I chose to just look at ALL of it.

Brian Ferentz hasn't done NEAR enough to be the HC at Iowa - we both agree with that.

And are you taking my bet or not?

I even gave you points as far as the stipulations.

 

[InGoodCo]

Rob of all people was asked that question straight up a few days ago and he gave a point blank, one word answer, "Yes."

He has an exponentially better feel for the program and has known all of these guys personally for over a decade; is he trolling?

I don't think he's trolling, and he does have his finger on the pulse of Iowa, especially more than I. But I am ok disagreeing with him. I am ok to not share his opinion. I think he's wrong. If KF walked away tomorrow I don't believe BF would be the next coach at Iowa. Iowa has had 2 coaches in 40+ years. They gave Bob Stoops, the "thanks, we'll call ya, we still have a few more interviews" .... BF is not the next coach at Iowa until he is and it's gonna take a lot more. I would say winning the West this year would be step 1..... so, for those of you who don't want another Ferentz as our HC, ya better cheer for the team in red next Saturday. Personally, I'm going the other way.

 

[InGoodCo]

Would you like to put $50 on that to the children's hospital?

Love me or hate me I'm a man of my word and I pay up...always.

I will offer you this: If Iowa does not win a conference title, B1G West title, or make a Rose Bowl by the time Kirk Ferentz dies or retires, Brian Ferentz will be the next head coach.

I will take that bet Fry guy. Stipulations are this: If KF retires from this day forward without a West title or a BCS quality game (ie NY6 or higher) there is NO way BF is the next HC at Iowa. If they accomplish any of those things, I think he will be. I am cheering for that to happen. That's how I win.

If they don't reach either of those bench marks and BF is named the next Iowa coach, you win.

 

[Xerxes]

except it's only 10 out of 11 when you cherry pick the numbers. I recall them beating an above average ISU team all 3 seasons, Boston College, Mississippi State.... look, it's not great, but you're leaving out games against quality opponents that they've won during this time and it's not really a full picture.

The ISU wins the last 2 years have been great quality wins. And I agree that they should be included in the 1-11 mark.

Boston College was 7-6, 4-4 in the ACC in 2017, probably the 5th-8th best team in that conference that season. Hard to say, a lot teams were 4-4.

Mississippi St was 8-5 and also 4-4 in their conference in 2018, 7th best team in the SEC.

If these are considered quality wins, particularly the BC game, I think that says a lot about the state of the program. MSU's offense made Iowa's look like the 1999 Rams, but they did have a good D, so maybe that one.

 

[Fryowa]

I will take that bet Fry guy. Stipulations are this: If KF retires from this day forward without a West title or a BCS quality game (ie NY6 or higher) there is NO way BF is the next HC at Iowa. If they accomplish any of those things, I think he will be. I am cheering for that to happen. That's how I win.

If they don't reach either of those bench marks and BF is named the next Iowa coach, you win.

Let's add this...

If the Hawks do make a NY6 or conference title by that time, it's a wash and we both pay $25.

I don't want failure in any of those terms to cheat the hospital out of our money.

 

[deanvogs]

LOL, Title of the thread is a JOKE! There is nothing objective about this post. You found a stat you want to use to paint a picture, so you set the parameters to fit your agenda, and make that claim that ONLY these games matter.

This is the game Da Haters play. They want to parse out every single thing, to get to their underlying (Ferentz sucks at everything argument). When Iowa's overall record stacks up well vs other P5 programs over the last 5 years, well then only wins vs conference teams with winning records matter. Or they discount this win, or exaggerate this loss.

 

[Fryowa]

The ISU wins the last 2 years have been great quality wins. And I agree that they should be included in the 1-11 mark.

But they don't have an effect on the ultimate goal of the season.

Sure, they feel good, but they're essentially exhibition games for the hell of it.

 

[hawkeyes87]

Penn State - Lost last play of the game. Defense couldn't stop McSorley and Barkley.
Wisconsin - Beyer playing hackysack with the football, Wisconsin goes 85 yards to score a TD, missed passes to open receivers.
Penn State - Blown TD to Hockenson and failure at the goal line.
Purdue - Defense couldn't stop Purdue all day. Two holding calls in a row stifled any chance to burn the clock.

Come on, man!

That's only 4 out of 10 where "blame the offense" is not an immediate answer.

And as for the O in those 4?

'17 PSU- 1 first down in the 1st qtr. 7 points (21 yd drive setup by D) thru 3 qtrs. 19 points total.

'18 Wis- 17 points total

'18 PSU- 6 points total ( defense 11, special teams 7 )

'18 PU- strong- blame the D

So for 3 of those other 4, "blame the offense" is still valid, other factors or not.

 

[Xerxes]

But they don't have an effect on the ultimate goal of the season.

Sure, they feel good, but they're essentially exhibition games for the hell of it.

You did make it clear we were talking conference games only. So while they are quality wins IMO, obviously they have zero impact on Iowa's B1G season and ultimately they are 10th most important game on the schedule when you really think about it.

 

[deanvogs]

But they don't have an effect on the ultimate goal of the season.

Sure, they feel good, but they're essentially exhibition games for the hell of it.

Why is losing to sub .500 teams ok, but losing to above .500 teams isn't ok? Lets say Iowa goes 6-3 in conference play, and they go 3-0 vs above .500 teams and go 3-3 vs sub .500 teams. How is that any better or worse than going 6-0 vs sub .500 teams and going 0-3 vs above .500 teams?

 

[DBAHawkFan]

We already have the reason to make BF the head coach

2017 tOSU game.

That was his interview

The rest is just the background check and payroll