Bombshell Alford Article by Harty

[imported_ankle23]

I still wonder how she knew who Pierre Pierce was. OTOH, while I can understand her reluctance, I also wonder if peer pressure made her reluctant, or whether she actually invited Pierce to her room, or whatever. In other words, by NOT pressing on, too many variables and permutations can be postulated by message board folks like us

Really?

 

[nationalchamps]

Bowlsby was the man in charge. He should have ended it right away & made PP be gone.

I'll do ya one further...Bob was going to try and make sure the basketball program was successful. Keeping PP on the team would help that cause. Bob was still getting heat for the way the Tom Davis thing went down. Connecting the dots?

 

[okeefe4prez]

Sure, he made most of this up. Makes sense...he'd put his credibility and career on the line with a made up story. And his editors would go right along with it, making their newspaper vulnerable to a lawsuits by both the University and Alford. His brother and niece are in on it too...for sure.

Yeah, that makes sense.

Why would he be vulnerable to a lawsuit by Alford? Other than the recount of the butthurt over the mean phone call, how did he implicate Coach Alford in any wrongdoing?

 

[okeefe4prez]

I'll do ya one further...Bob was going to try and make sure the basketball program was successful. Keeping PP on the team would help that cause. Bob was still getting heat for the way the Tom Davis thing went down. Connecting the dots?

Like.

 

[Billso]

I think what he's questioning is would an 18 yr old girl know who Pierce is regardless of how well known he is as an athlete. I can see that but I'll give her that benefit of the doubt since her uncle is a writer for Iowa sports. She may have not known who he was at first or till after he'd left and she saw his face other ways. That we just don't know yet either.

I'm laughing that none of you considered the possibility they'd met earlier in the dorm or class or at a party, or even that Pierce introduced himself when he entered the room. Black people can talk, y'know.

 

[HawkeyeMHA]

I grew up with his niece and was good friends with her throughout our time at Iowa. The incident most definitely occurred. Don't know anything about the behind the scenes following, but can say the incident itself occurred.

And I don't doubt it a bit. I think things line this happen in college dorm rooms and apartments more than we know or are reported. I certainly don't doubt this given the history of pp.

 

[Hawkfnntn]

I'm laughing that none of you considered the possibility they'd met earlier in the dorm or class or at a party, or even that Pierce introduced himself when he entered the room. Black people can talk, y'know.

Your right after rereading it those are certainly all possible. But for him to come in and introduce himself then flip himself into Mr I'm going to hold you against your will I'll rule out that he introduced himself by his real name that way. The other ways are possible tho

 

[tm3308]

Your right after rereading it those are certainly all possible. But for him to come in and introduce himself then flip himself into Mr I'm going to hold you against your will I'll rule out that he introduced himself by his real name that way. The other ways are possible tho

I just don't get why you continue to defend him. Harty is risking an awful lot if he were making it up. Lansing has not denied sending the letter. The university has issued no statement. Nobody's saying nothing. If he were making it up, wouldn't at least one of the involved parties say something to the contrary?

 

[hawkeyebob62]

Really?

Yes, "really". No idea if they had met previously, no mention of how she knew it was him. Maybe it was clear, but certainly not from the story as written.

 

[tm3308]

Yes, "really". No idea if they had met previously, no mention of how she knew it was him. Maybe it was clear, but certainly not from the story as written.

Pierce was a public figure. It's not difficult to see how she knew it was him, and I don't get why this is such an unnavigable snare.

 

[HawkPrdatr40]

Pierce was a public figure. It's not difficult to see how she knew it was him, and I don't get why this is such an unnavigable snare.

So all freshman know everybody? So I can safely assume that all freshman will know who all the BB players are, right? They are public figures!

"My niece was an 18-year-old freshman at the University of Iowa, who had met Pierce on campus completely by chance. He showed up in her dorm room one afternoon that same fall — unannounced and uninvited — closed the door and refused to leave. I hate to think what might have happened to this bright, beautiful girl had her screams not scared him away".

 

[sioux34]

Your right after rereading it those are certainly all possible. But for him to come in and introduce himself then flip himself into Mr I'm going to hold you against your will I'll rule out that he introduced himself by his real name that way. The other ways are possible tho

I take it you have never spent much time around college athletes on campus. We all understood that the coeds were there for the taking. Not all of us were down with the against there will part of it.

 

[tm3308]

So all freshman know everybody? So I can safely assume that all freshman will know who all the BB players are, right? They are public figures!

"My niece was an 18-year-old freshman at the University of Iowa, who had met Pierce on campus completely by chance. He showed up in her dorm room one afternoon that same fall — unannounced and uninvited — closed the door and refused to leave. I hate to think what might have happened to this bright, beautiful girl had her screams not scared him away".

It's pretty heavily implied that she knew who he was, either at the time of the incident or shortly thereafter. She apparently claimed to know who he was. It's not difficult to see how she might have known, and I don't get why some of you are getting caught up by that very minor detail.

 

[hawkinaclownhouse]

Yes, "really". No idea if they had met previously, no mention of how she knew it was him. Maybe it was clear, but certainly not from the story as written.

Whether she knew PP is right in the article.

who had met Pierce on campus completely by chance.

He showed up in her dorm room one afternoon that same fall — unannounced and uninvited — closed the door and refused to leave.

By breaking apart the two sentences it says she had met Pierce completely by chance. The key in the next sentence about him showing up in her dorm room is the phase "that same fall".

To me this reads she met him, he stalked her an showed up in her room later that fall.

 

[Jjgoiowa11]

I take it you have never spent much time around college athletes on campus. We all understood that the coeds were there for the taking. Not all of us were down with the against there will part of it.

Dang, what group of 'athletes' did you hang around? Sounds like a good group of guys..

 

[sportstalent]

I just don't get why you continue to defend him. Harty is risking an awful lot if he were making it up. Lansing has not denied sending the letter. The university has issued no statement. Nobody's saying nothing. If he were making it up, wouldn't at least one of the involved parties say something to the contrary?

I am with you on this one as well, but here is the thing. Harty is not a dumb guy, he did not say PP committed a crime either, he spoke of what he did, but he did not outright say any crime was committed. This makes sense because there really was no way to prove something happened as his niece screamed enough to make PP uncomfortable enough to leave. She saved herself by causing a disturbance in a dormitory, she did the right thing and he left.

I can't say no harm, no foul because hindsight is always 20/20 in any case and maybe if they knew of any pattern there then they would have pursued. This is just an uncle telling a story and confirming that no complaint is taken seriously unless cops are involved. Now if she was a minor...unfortunately, by nobody doing anything here, or taking this seriously it escalated to the next step. There are always warning signs when things happen, but when it comes to athletes or athletics in general college or pro, there seems to be something of a blind eye involved. It is funny how Roger Godell has implemented and is carrying out on a personal conduct code, but so many people rake him over the coals because he is too harsh.

Maybe if the NFL organizations took punishment seriously and didn't have to have the cops (NFL) take matters into their own hands we wouldn't have people like Leonard Little, Donte Stallworth, Ben Roethlisberger, Josh Brent and countless other entitled folks in the NFL doing what they do and wondering why they are getting punished when their boss doesn't do anything about it.

The fact that the Organization (University) took no action in a matter that is largely ignored (actions against women) and furthermore allowing an employee (Alford) to say he is a "good kid" after he is accused of rape speaks to the stance that the Organization as a whole took in this matter, the blind eye was turned and had it not been maybe PP would have finished his Iowa career. If the blind eye hadn't been turned maybe this young lady would have been brought in to describe what happened. If the blind eye hadn't been turned maybe I don't detest Alford the way I do, nope that wouldn't change.

If Harty would have let his brother take care of this, no good would have came from it, if they would have cried out injustice, the girl would have been portrayed as a whore or a slut and the basketball program would have went out of their way along with the blessing from the AD to drag the girl through the mud. People would say, 'oh she is just out to get him because she wouldn't give it up, slut.' C'mon folks you know those types of things are said, but where there is smoke there is fire more often than coals in situations like this.

 

[Hawkfnntn]

Dang, what group of 'athletes' did you hang around? Sounds like a good group of guys..

Yea I wasn't going to dignify that comment with a response. I thought the same thing.

 

[sportstalent]

Yea I wasn't going to dignify that comment with a response. I thought the same thing.

Some of the wonderful athletes I was on the same floor with at ISU were that way from some of the stories I heard from other athletes. There is scum everywhere and I do feel that it is more prevalent when you have entitled athletes who are self-righteous arrogant turds. One of the WR's at ISU was called "The Pappa" when I was there because he refused to wear condoms, that will be the only thing I share, I like to forget those two years.

 

[Hawkfnntn]

I just don't get why you continue to defend him. Harty is risking an awful lot if he were making it up. Lansing has not denied sending the letter. The university has issued no statement. Nobody's saying nothing. If he were making it up, wouldn't at least one of the involved parties say something to the contrary?

Your misconstruing what I'm doing. Or attempting to do. I'm by no means trying to defend Pierce or Alford. What I've done is tried to see the validity of what Harty has written and apply common sense to it. I see what your saying. It wouldn't make sense for Harty to make this up. Not even alittle bit. Yet the story as he's told it has holes in it that leave more questions then answers. I'm skeptical of things I read that don't add up. Do we know if Lansing is aware of this article and claim by Harty? If he has I havn't heard or read that anywhere. The nothing that's out there for a response could very well be that Hartys article here hasn't hit their desktop as much as they are intentionally ignoring it. If a reporter has asked the athletic department, Lansing and Alford and everyone has clammed up then you can read into that what you will yet it's alittle tough to lay a verdict down is it not? That's pretty much where the trail will go cold. Unless they've been on record of being asked its presumptuous of anyone to just assume away that they are intentionally keeping quiet too.

 

[JHHawk]

I am with you on this one as well, but here is the thing. Harty is not a dumb guy, he did not say PP committed a crime either, he spoke of what he did, but he did not outright say any crime was committed. This makes sense because there really was no way to prove something happened as his niece screamed enough to make PP uncomfortable enough to leave. She saved herself by causing a disturbance in a dormitory, she did the right thing and he left.

I can't say no harm, no foul because hindsight is always 20/20 in any case and maybe if they knew of any pattern there then they would have pursued. This is just an uncle telling a story and confirming that no complaint is taken seriously unless cops are involved. Now if she was a minor...unfortunately, by nobody doing anything here, or taking this seriously it escalated to the next step. There are always warning signs when things happen, but when it comes to athletes or athletics in general college or pro, there seems to be something of a blind eye involved. It is funny how Roger Godell has implemented and is carrying out on a personal conduct code, but so many people rake him over the coals because he is too harsh.

Maybe if the NFL organizations took punishment seriously and didn't have to have the cops (NFL) take matters into their own hands we wouldn't have people like Leonard Little, Donte Stallworth, Ben Roethlisberger, Josh Brent and countless other entitled folks in the NFL doing what they do and wondering why they are getting punished when their boss doesn't do anything about it.

The fact that the Organization (University) took no action in a matter that is largely ignored (actions against women) and furthermore allowing an employee (Alford) to say he is a "good kid" after he is accused of rape speaks to the stance that the Organization as a whole took in this matter, the blind eye was turned and had it not been maybe PP would have finished his Iowa career. If the blind eye hadn't been turned maybe this young lady would have been brought in to describe what happened. If the blind eye hadn't been turned maybe I don't detest Alford the way I do, nope that wouldn't change.

If Harty would have let his brother take care of this, no good would have came from it, if they would have cried out injustice, the girl would have been portrayed as a whore or a slut and the basketball program would have went out of their way along with the blessing from the AD to drag the girl through the mud. People would say, 'oh she is just out to get him because she wouldn't give it up, slut.' C'mon folks you know those types of things are said, but where there is smoke there is fire more often than coals in situations like this.

SA is not a smart man,as I have said often.
I do not think the University ''allowed'' him to defend PP in his comments, I think he bungled the comments. I suspect that BB told him to support his athlete,but left it at that. This is America,so we have a presumption of innocence,until tried and convicted so it is not that crazy for SA to say that PP is innocent until proven guilty and leave it at that. Better yet just say that an investigation is ongoing.
That is how professional people handle stuff like this,but like I say, SA is not a bright person.

This is a very sad episode in Iowa bb history,and I just wish it would go away.