I generally agree with this. But let me open up a big can of worms. Would the "entire University" include PP's teammates? Is it possible (or even probable) that a teammate knew that PP was a predator? Would that teammate be obligated to do something about it?
Bombshell Alford Article by Harty
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imported_ankle23
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duh - he didn't say at new mexico that he was just following orders. when you make a national public lie, there is always going to be a response.
hawkdrummer1
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Actually, it only takes a couple of people, if they're in the right positions. Information can be controlled and manipulated at a variety of bottlenecks.
Certainly this isn't all on Alford. I think the AD is clearly the other guy in this story. He oversees all of this and is ultimately responsible for it.
Refresh my memory did this occur before Bowlsby left, or under Barta?
LasVegasHawk
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Just curious, anyone know what PP is up to these days?
Last I heard he was having a solid pro career in France,had married a French girl and was starting a family.
Couple of questions that leap to mind with some of these posts...
Obviously,reading this column by Harty is disturbing.
This incident occurred after the first public incident for PP,and after the comments by SA about PP's innocence,so the inference that SA claimed PP was innocent in the first case after this incident is wrong.
This incident took place while PP was on probation and redshirting.
And this stuff about PP having a predatory incident before coming to Iowa is not documented anywhere....show some evidence of this,or do not rumor-monger.
This is a situation where the University was complicit in the bungling of this affair,right from the beginning.
No policy guidelines,no documentation on procedures...it left huge holes in dealing with this. I would have thought there would have been a condition on PP after taking probation where he could not do something like this and not be in jail....again, Harty went to the wrong party, I think. Just like all along in this process, lack of good info left stuff in gray areas.
sportstalent
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Pleading ignorance is no excuse and not praiseworthy.
hawkdrummer1
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The Stanford job alone ...is a good move. But the timing does become more interesting in light of this story.
Harty also mentioned a letter from Lansing as being the only response to this. If that letter still exists why not make it public. I hate to be the devils advocate here cause sticking up for SA or Pierce is the last thing in the world I'm about. But without something like that today what proof is there other then Harty and his families word against Alford or Lansings about this specific incident his niece went through? I'm surprised that Hartys family would stop pursuing it after that being the only response. So you don't try to take that to Bowlsby or how about the cops for peats sake. I guess what I'm saying is if your going to do anything at all don't you go to the cops first? I don't write a letter to Alford or the athletic department and expect/hope they do something. Without the cops getting involved there's no public report that the athletic department would be forced to answer to. Thus making it extremely easy to brush under the rug. Harty of all people should be more then aware of that and that is what surprises me and makes me abit skeptical of that article. Doesn't in the least change my feelings about SA or Pierce. Weather there was one more girl he scared to death or touched doesn't change my mind. Him having done it not once but twice and called out on it with SA going to bat for him more then once cements their "legacy" for a lack of a better word with me. Also if the Hartys only goal was to get Pierce kicked off the team or in some kind of trouble with the school and not the law what does that do in the big picture? All that would do is let a kid who was capable of doing the horrendous things he'd already done more time on his hands to continue doing so without being in trouble with the law. So if what Harty is reporting is true I can't understand why that would have been their course of action. Because for one the punishment for having done that wouldn't have been enough for me and 2 he'd still be out there and able to continue doing it to others. I guess I'm just not buying Hartys word without the signed and dated letter from Lansing proving the incident was addressed at all and that Harty wrote them one.
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tm3308
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If it did indeed happen, it would likely be on his juvenile record, meaning there is no documentation. There's no proof, it's just what I've heard.
Billso
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Where do you get this? It is certainly not in the story. I've read it carefully 3 times now, and Harty only says that it happened "the same fall" and "a few weeks" after she arrived on campus. When he describes contacting the University, he mentions "the recent sexual assault allegations made against Pierce", but that doesn't tell us the timing of his niece's incident. For all we know the decision to report may have been *prompted* by the allegations.
Harty needs to clarify the timing.
I agree with you. He didn't specify the timing of this very well at all. Without the dated letter of response by Lansing there just isn't anything to go on here but one self admitted biased writers word.
Also how did Harty make first contact with Iowa’s Sports Information Department? Did he call someone there did he write them a letter he didn't say. All he said was that he was "told" that their would be a response from the coaches. How was he "told" that. Via phone via email, letter how? And what response from them would have been satisfactory to the Harty family? That right there is my biggest hangup. What PP did to his niece allegedly would be a crime. Crimes should be reported to the cops. (have we not learned anything from the PSU deal) There are holes in his story that don't add up to me. I don't even play a detective after staying at a Holiday In but this smells like a story written by a guy that's wanting to piggy back off a story. If he publishes the letter of response by Lansing I'll be happy to recant. But it's just an article written by Pat Hardy till then..
imported_ankle23
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you think he made this story up? alfred already knows about this article, no doubt. if it is a fabrication, hardy will get sued. the days of the nasty phone call are over, i would assume, and a guy of alfred's personality would definitely sue for less than a falsified newspaper article.
okeefe4prez
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Is there any evidence that Alford personally had knowledge of this situation?
I have no clue to what extent what's true and what isn't from that article. That's pretty much the point of what I wrote. Without some acknowledgement from Lansing/Alford the Iowa sports athletic department in regards to this what proof of any of what he wrote is there? Now as I've stated before if he were to publish the letter in witch he mentions Lansing replied to him with that'd be a start. Or if he has some corespondence from the Iowa sports athletic department in witch he first mentions making contact with that'd work too. I am skeptical of it because of the holes in his story yet if he produces any of those things at least there'd be more to it then just his word.
sportstalent
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Yeah, he probably fabricated all of this because PP is such a stand up guy and was a good kid that never did anything wrong.
I would believe this over anything that arrogant self serving dick Alford would ever say on this, he has said enough on PP himself for us to know he will go to great lengths to cover up and glorify a rapist.
okeefe4prez
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How do you know Alford had knowledge of the situation outlined in the article?
twinlaker
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Answer this Jeff.... if this is made up is there a libel suit?
Okeefe has a point. Based only off of what Harty wrote Alford actually has plausible deniability to have ever been informed of this incident. Look I'm not an Alford lover. Not even close. Would it surprise me if what happened to Hartys niece be true? No not even alittle bit. But honestly the events in witch he's describing and the timeline have so many holes in it. I want to know who Harty coresponded with amongst the Iowa athletic department. So we know who told him that the coach(s) would reply to him and was that via a phone call an email or what. I want to know where this letter that he refers to have received from Lansing is at. Without any of those two things it's just Hartys word. This story being true or not doesn't make me think of Alford any differently he's a scum bag. Yet if you believe Hartys article your believing it because you want to. Not because he's proven anything.
