It was a contested shot but Baer is also tall and has a high release so wasn't a terrible shot. Definitely a patented PC unimpressive assist though
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It was a contested shot but Baer is also tall and has a high release so wasn't a terrible shot. Definitely a patented PC unimpressive assist though
Robowe
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That's weird. Previous poster said uncontested. I guess that's subjective. Oh, and that shot is over one of those quicker guards for Maryland (I believe it is Melo Trimble). I guess quickness didn't help on that one. So, does that shot hurt his defensive rating?
HawkeyeWalker
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ohhhh, you sly one you. Well done sir.
Robowe
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It wasn't great defense so I would assume it would hurt his defensive rating.
First one he was pretty open, had a lot of space and the defender was late getting his arms up. Second one was contested
HawkeyeWalker
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Rob putting on a clinic up in here.
As much as one may try to deflect, change narrative, etc....Rob just killin it.
As much as one may try to deflect, change narrative, etc....Rob just killin it.
Robowe
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How exactly do you measure that? Do you know? Where does the defender's rating get dinged?
Robowe
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Good answers. The 1st one is in a tweet where the poster says it is in DJ Wilson's face. And the 2nd one was in rhythm. I would be curious if the coaches were OK with the 2nd shot.
The core of the Defensive Rating calculation is the concept of the individual Defensive Stop. Stops take into account the instances of a player ending an opposing possession that are tracked in the boxscore (blocks, steals, and defensive rebounds), in addition to an estimate for the number of forced turnovers and forced misses by the player which aren't captured by steals and blocks.
The formula for Stops is:
- Stops = Stops1 + Stops2
- Stops1 = STL + BLK * FMwt * (1 - 1.07 * DOR%) + DRB * (1 - FMwt)
- FMwt = (DFG% * (1 - DOR%)) / (DFG% * (1 - DOR%) + (1 - DFG%) * DOR%)
- DOR% = Opponent_ORB / (Opponent_ORB + Team_DRB)
- DFG% = Opponent_FGM / Opponent_FGA
- Stops2 = (((Opponent_FGA - Opponent_FGM - Team_BLK) / Team_MP) * FMwt * (1 - 1.07 * DOR%) + ((Opponent_TOV - Team_STL) / Team_MP)) * MP + (PF / Team_PF) * 0.4 * Opponent_FTA * (1 - (Opponent_FTM / Opponent_FTA))^2
- Stop% = (Stops * Opponent_MP) / (Team_Possessions * MP)
- DRtg = Team_Defensive_Rating + 0.2 * (100 * D_Pts_per_ScPoss * (1 - Stop%) - Team_Defensive_Rating)
- Team_Defensive_Rating = 100 * (Opponent_PTS / Team_Possessions)
- D_Pts_per_ScPoss = Opponent_PTS / (Opponent_FGM + (1 - (1 - (Opponent_FTM / Opponent_FTA))^2) * Opponent_FTA*0.4)
HawkeyeWalker
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Is that the formula for the death of sports? Or is it the way to make John Wooden puke, even now.
Why would that be the death of sports?
Robowe
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Wow. So you mastered cut and paste. Congratulations. See, I knew the answer, but I wanted to know if you did.
How reliable do you think the estimate for the number of forced turnovers and forced misses by the player which aren't captured by steals and blocks is?
Also, did you notice how individual Defense Rating encompasses the Team Defensive Rating? So, if guards play on a team that do not block shots or (subjectively) force misses, then their rating will be worse than those guards who do play with shot blockers and/or players who force misses more often. Does that make sense?
HawkeyeWalker
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What's the sound of one hand clapping? Therein you will find your answer.
I'd guess it's pretty reliable, especially for a guard
HawkeyeWalker
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Bing-go. If Cook, Pemsl, Jok, etc were playing better defense....everyone stats improve, the team improves, and it can cover up the point or guards getting beat off the dribble, which happens all the time, to a lot of very good teams.
Robowe
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How about when a guard is guarding a taller player with a high release point? It may not be bad defense, but a bad matchup. Or, it might be zone defense where the player is not necessarily guarding a specific player for the entire possession. These are things that defensive rating has not been able to explain entirely (as Dean has pointed out numerous times).
Also, I notice you didn't respond to the individual defensive rating portion of my post.
If you struggle to defend someone due to lack of size or struggle to close out in a zone you're probably not a good defender...
Robowe
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How is lack of size measured in a defensive rating?
So, you are not interested in discussing anything in that post? I was curious in some critical thinking about how defensive statistics are compiled and how specific plays may affect defensive ratings (team vs individual, zone, etc.).
If you're small enough were someone you're matched up on can shoot right over you that should hurt your defensive rating. I'm not sure how they are exactly calculated.
