Best 3pt shooting team in Fran Era?

[lightning1]

Okay. Cook has shown zero, and I mean zero ability or desire to defend the 4 position in the two years he’s been at Iowa. Should we cut him too?

Also worth mentioning there is nothing written that says JBo has to guard the other teams Pg. For instance when we play MSU in a month or so, it will probably make sense to put our best perimeter defender (not sure who that is at this point) on Winston. Winston is the head of that snake and what makes Sparty go. JBo can chase around Langford who is a jump shooter primarily and guard Mcquaid who is also a jump shooter and not much of a threat offensively when he is in there. As a coach you think you’d understand that.

He'd be a back up, like Bohannon. I guess the difference is that Cook can guard the 4, if he put his mind to it. He's physically capable of it. So, I would have recruited him. How many minutes he'd play would be depending on how much effort he gave on the defensive end. I would have recruited Bohannon as a situational 3 pt shooting specialist. He wouldn't have been a primary ball handler in any line up and he wouldn't have started. Not unless he really worked on the defensive end of the floor.
I've been around basketball long enough to know that you can't win titles without playing good defense. I'm recruiting players that have shown the ability and desire to play defense.

 

[lightning1]

Would you recruit Steve Nash?

I never saw Steve Nash play in college, so I have no idea if he ever played defense. And I don't watch the NBA. I've only ever seen highlights or short clips of Steve Nash. Sorry. I couldn't tell you anything about half of the players in the NBA because they are foreign players that never played college ball in the states. You might as well leave NBA players out of this discussion.

 

[N8theGr8]

He'd be a back up, like Bohannon. I guess the difference is that Cook can guard the 4, if he put his mind to it. He's physically capable of it. So, I would have recruited him. How many minutes he'd play would be depending on how much effort he gave on the defensive end. I would have recruited Bohannon as a situational 3 pt shooting specialist. He wouldn't have been a primary ball handler in any line up and he wouldn't have started. Not unless he really worked on the defensive end of the floor.
I've been around basketball long enough to know that you can't win titles without playing good defense. I'm recruiting players that have shown the ability and desire to play defense.

Fire Fran! Hire lightning1!!

 

[lightning1]

Okay. Cook has shown zero, and I mean zero ability or desire to defend the 4 position in the two years he’s been at Iowa. Should we cut him too?

Also worth mentioning there is nothing written that says JBo has to guard the other teams Pg. For instance when we play MSU in a month or so, it will probably make sense to put our best perimeter defender (not sure who that is at this point) on Winston. Winston is the head of that snake and what makes Sparty go. JBo can chase around Langford who is a jump shooter primarily and guard Mcquaid who is also a jump shooter and not much of a threat offensively when he is in there. As a coach you think you’d understand that.

For the record, Garza and Baer are the only players on this roster that play with the kind of effort I would expect from a high D-1 basketball player. New arrivals not withstanding, of course.

 

[trj]

We havent replaced the athleticism we lost a few years ago. That's why my pet peeve teams, Penn State and Nebraska, took us to the wood shed last year. We are a long way from even being in the middle of the pack in the conference in athleticism.

If I'm an opposing big ten coach and Iowa is ignoring two of their biggest strengths, Cook and Garza, in favor of the jacking up 25 or more threes, I'm jumping for joy. Those two have to get at least one touch every time down the floor before we even think of looking three. It may be out of step with the direction basketball is heading, but for now the paint to mid range our strength, based on what Fran has recruited

Basketball has become about shooting the 3 and defending the 3. We grew up in an era where you worked the basketball inside out, now the good teams are working it outside in. Trading 3(s) for 2(s) just doesn't work, do the math. This current roster will never be great defensively, so I am all about playing games in 80's and hoping you can get some key stops 5 minutes before the half and at the end of games.

 

[lightning1]

Fire Fran! Hire lightning1!!

I'd go down there and coach his defense for free. he'd have to let me dictate minutes according to defense effort, however. Which is ultimately why the story will probably remain the same with Fran coached teams. If Fran had replaced one of his existing assistants with a defensive coach, like Boeheim did at Michigan, that might have signified his acceptance to change.
Coaching basketball isn't rocket science. Anyone that's willing to commit the time and finances to learn it, can be good basketball coaches. That's why it's so frustrating to me to see a coach ignore defense at this level of basketball. And he's coaching my favorite team, no less!

 

[trj]

I'd be surprised if they shoot more 3s this year. I'll be surprised if they finish the season with a higher 3pt FG % as a team. All of these bold predictions don't amount to much anyway. The question is: Will we be an NCAA tournament team this year? How much are you willing to wager on that?

18-21 wins gets Iowa where?

 

[lightning1]

18-21 wins gets Iowa where?

NIT. Unless half a dozen of those wins are on the road/neutral vs ranked teams. 21 wins isn't an automatic NCAA bid anymore.

 

[PCHawk]

Yeah...YOU made the original ridiculous blanket statement about passing the ball inside leading to turnovers. You should stop discussing basketball coaching strategy after making a statement like that. My statement about shooting 3 pt shots leading to long rebounds and easier run out offense...is a statement of fact. Call any basketball coach and ask. Google it.
Answer this question: If you can choose to start your offense above the FT line or under the basket for a fast break, which one do you choose?
Therefore, if you already have a bad defensive team and you are looking for ways to play better defense, you could shoot fewer 3 pt shots. leading to fewer run out baskets by the other team.
I explained this thoroughly. I'm not at all surprised that you don't get it.
I also explained that we actually have the roster in place (hint: Cook/Garza) to facilitate an inside - out offensive approach. And how the combination of utilizing Cook/Garza more and shooting less 3 pt shots = easier to get back and set up your defense.
I'm not surprised you can't grasp that either.
Cheers to you, brother. Here's hoping you get your wish and we chuck more 3pt shots this season.

If it's so ridiculous, does that mean you think passing the ball around the perimeter and shooting 3s generates just as many turnovers as feeding the ball into the post and trying to score from there? I see turnovers on post passes and turnovers from post players doing too much (Cook had 3 per game) way more than I see turnovers on perimeter passes.

 

[lightning1]

If it's so ridiculous, does that mean you think passing the ball around the perimeter and shooting 3s generates just as many turnovers as feeding the ball into the post and trying to score from there? I see turnovers on post passes and turnovers from post players doing too much (Cook had 3 per game) way more than I see turnovers on perimeter passes.

Play stupid games...win stupid prizes. I'm not playing this game.

 

[PCHawk]

I don’t think he deals well in sarcasm or when someone is mocking him.

Remember this is the guy who’s eyes told him that Juwan McCloud was by far the better PG at PTL over JBo. That has turned out to be one of the dumber statements in the history of this board, and there have been some doozies. Even so he still considers himself a reincarnation of James Naismith.

The best part about this current spat is that Iowa was an interior dominated team last year that didn’t shoot many threes, the stats bear that out. Even with that they were horrendous on defense. This thread was talking about the fact that they will probably be a better three point shooting team this year with the addition of Weiskamp, that doesn’t mean that we are going to completely turn away from Cook or Garza either. Hard to have a sane conversation around here sometimes.

He's taking something that everyone learns in elementary and throwing it around like he's smart. Then when people try to explain to him why it doesn't pertain to this discussion, he acts like it's because of his genius idea (that everyone learned in elementary) was too hard for us to grasp.

We get it. 3 pointers tend to have long rebounds. Long rebounds can lead to runouts. That doesn't mean you put a limit on a highly efficient part of your offense. It means you need to be more aware of getting back on defense.

 

[Northside Hawk]

I'd go down there and coach his defense for free. he'd have to let me dictate minutes according to defense effort, however. Which is ultimately why the story will probably remain the same with Fran coached teams. If Fran had replaced one of his existing assistants with a defensive coach, like Boeheim did at Michigan, that might have signified his acceptance to change.
Coaching basketball isn't rocket science. Anyone that's willing to commit the time and finances to learn it, can be good basketball coaches. That's why it's so frustrating to me to see a coach ignore defense at this level of basketball. And he's coaching my favorite team, no less!

I was screaming for Fran to shake up his staff after last year's debacle. It's not like any of them are Bruce Pearl level recruiters either. Obviously, it didn't happen.

 

[PCHawk]

Play stupid games...win stupid prizes. I'm not playing this game.

Which means you agree with me now. Otherwise you would be more than willing to play this stupid game and show me how wrong I am and everyone else how smart you are.

 

[Northside Hawk]

Basketball has become about shooting the 3 and defending the 3. We grew up in an era where you worked the basketball inside out, now the good teams are working it outside in. Trading 3(s) for 2(s) just doesn't work, do the math. This current roster will never be great defensively, so I am all about playing games in 80's and hoping you can get some key stops 5 minutes before the half and at the end of games.

That's what the NBA is turning into. Teams chucking it 40, 45, 50 times a game from behind the arc. All five players on the floor a 3 point threat. The back to the basket game all but gone. I thought the European influence contributed to it somewhat as well as international rules in general. We will have to stay tuned to see if college basketball ever takes that turn.

 

[PCHawk]

I was screaming for Fran to shake up his staff after last year's debacle. It's not like any of them are Bruce Pearl level recruiters either. Obviously, it didn't happen.

Fran probably doesn't need to shake up his staff. He just needs to put more time into the defense during practice. If he put more time into it, we would probably be a little worse on offense and a lot better on defense. That's a pretty good trade.

I kinda get Fran's logic at mostly ignoring defense in practice. Since defense is a lot about effort, you can still be pretty good at it without spending a lot of practice time. Offense is something where you can spend a lot of time at it and it will give you an edge. Last year it backfired bad because we had a perfect storm of young players who were overly arrogant and also not naturally gifted defenders.

 

[trj]

NIT. Unless half a dozen of those wins are on the road/neutral vs ranked teams.

Then it becomes can Fran build something around Wieskamp and to a lesser degree Garza moving forward. That's why it is not NCAA tournament or bust with me in regards to Fran this year.

 

[trj]

That's what the NBA is turning into. Teams chucking it 40, 45, 50 times a game from behind the arc. All five players on the floor a 3 point threat. The back to the basket game all but gone. I thought the European influence contributed to it somewhat as well as international rules in general. We will have to stay tuned to see if college basketball ever takes that turn.

Villanova has won 2 of the last 3 Championships basically doing it how you just described it. Chucking the 3 and being able to defend it......I can't say that enough.

 

[lightning1]

Then it becomes can Fran build something around Wieskamp and to a lesser degree Garza moving forward. That's why it is not NCAA tournament or bust with me in regards to Fran this year.

I'm way past "bust" with Fran. 3 NCAA appearances in 8 years? "Don't let the door hit ya in the ass on the way out of Carver. Oh...and take the Gutless wonder with ya."

 

[N8theGr8]

Then it becomes can Fran build something around Wieskamp and to a lesser degree Garza moving forward. That's why it is not NCAA tournament or bust with me in regards to Fran this year.

Don't give up on Connor, Nunge, and Fredrick yet! Nunge has all the tools to be a great basketball player. Fredrick could be a lights out shooter at the 2, and Connor could be our less douchey version of Aaron Craft. I'm also not giving up on this team before we've seen them play. They had 19 wins as freshman with the same roster and same coaches. It is not unrealistic to think that they could exceed that level of play with a veteran team and improve upon the defense from that season. I think 22-24 wins is a very realistic possibility in that context. It will also work to our benefit that no one is expecting much out of us. Teams with a chip on their shoulder, a lot to prove, and nothing to lose can be dangerous.

 

[lightning1]

Villanova has won 2 of the last 3 Championships basically doing it how you just described it. Chucking the 3 and being able to defend it......I can't say that enough.

Villanova gets to the rim a lot. They were 16th in made 2 pt FGs. 1st in 3 pt FGs. 4th in rebounding. That's just a well constructed roster.