HawkForce
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Exactly...Those guys are awesome and great Hawks...BUT they didn't take care of business.
Barta confirmed - NO CBI
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Exactly...Those guys are awesome and great Hawks...BUT they didn't take care of business.
BSpringsteen
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But it's not Blanche, it's not.
I am not exactly sure how post-season revenues and expenses work in basketball for the B1G. That could be a part of it. I really might not just be a decision that would only affect Iowa financially.
I know the football bowl revenues are split between the league. That is why the league wouldn't send a team to a bowl game that ended up costing more than it paid out. I mean the Little C bowl paid out $750,000 this last year and teams can drive there and hotel rooms are cheap in Detroit over the holidays.
It is a tourney for mid majors and a few bottom feeders on the bigger conferences. Virginia lost $150,000 in last years CBI tourney.
CBI puts Virginia in the red - Roanoke.com
CBI puts Virginia in the red - Roanoke.com
Herkyalert
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This whole talk of "business sense" is a load of crap. Do you think the NIT is some big moneymaker? We aren't talking bowl games here. Iowa would more than make up for the cost of the CBI with tickets, merch sales, and concessions. I know I'd shell out money to go and I think fans would too. This is an isolated CBI bid incident. I want to go this year and never again because this team has been through a lot and deserves it. Fans deserve it as well but Barta obviously doesn't think so because it's not "business smart".
Barta is being a coward on this and I want him fired. He doesn't have the guts to stand up to the Big Ten over some silly "non spoken" rule. He never had and never will. He's a shill to the football program. Do you think he'd treat Ferentz and his players this way>
He should be running fundraisers for tele-thons and not doing his current job, which he's terrible at. He's a puppet whose strings are pulled by the Big Ten cronies.
I'm willing to bet Fran isn't a big fan of him and neither am I.
Barta is being a coward on this and I want him fired. He doesn't have the guts to stand up to the Big Ten over some silly "non spoken" rule. He never had and never will. He's a shill to the football program. Do you think he'd treat Ferentz and his players this way>
He should be running fundraisers for tele-thons and not doing his current job, which he's terrible at. He's a puppet whose strings are pulled by the Big Ten cronies.
I'm willing to bet Fran isn't a big fan of him and neither am I.
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Herkyalert
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That's a drop in the bucket for athletic programs. They hardly miss that money.
It attracts a few power conference schools a year. Oregon State has played in it nearly every year and they will be in the NIT this season.
ssckelley
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But did you see the attendance figures? Virginia only had 4000 show up for the first round game and only charged $10 a ticket. Iowa would do much better than that and could charge more per ticket.
bcl20
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I don't think I believe that.
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BSpringsteen
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I want to respond, but I can't. Instead, I offer you this:
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Herkyalert
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Well then respond then. You can come out of your Mansion On The Hill can't you?
olivecourt
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The more I think about this the more I come around to the idea that the CBI doesn't make sense for Iowa.
Yes, I would love to see Iowa play more. But they've already played 32 games. That should really be plenty, and they've had ample opportunity to earn the right to play more. How many times did Iowa come into a game with a chance to really firm things up-- either to play their way into the tourney bubble, secure themselves a .500 record in the Big Ten, or at the very least lock up an NIT bid? There were tons of opportunities that they did not take advantage of, and they didn't exactly fall victim to other teams playing out of their minds.
Think of it this way-- what does it say about a post-season "invitational" tournament when you have to pay for a spot? It reminds me of those "all-star" camps in youth basketball where kids are "selected" to be an all-star as long as they pay the $300 registration fee. I know people are comparing it to lower-tier football bowls, but that's exactly my point. Why take the aspect of Division I football that everybody hates and import it to basketball?
There are 100 teams combined in the NCAA and the NIT. There will likely be at least nine teams out of the Big Ten selected for those tournaments. If Iowa can't earn their way into that group I don't really see how they "deserve" to play more.
Yes, I would love to see Iowa play more. But they've already played 32 games. That should really be plenty, and they've had ample opportunity to earn the right to play more. How many times did Iowa come into a game with a chance to really firm things up-- either to play their way into the tourney bubble, secure themselves a .500 record in the Big Ten, or at the very least lock up an NIT bid? There were tons of opportunities that they did not take advantage of, and they didn't exactly fall victim to other teams playing out of their minds.
Think of it this way-- what does it say about a post-season "invitational" tournament when you have to pay for a spot? It reminds me of those "all-star" camps in youth basketball where kids are "selected" to be an all-star as long as they pay the $300 registration fee. I know people are comparing it to lower-tier football bowls, but that's exactly my point. Why take the aspect of Division I football that everybody hates and import it to basketball?
There are 100 teams combined in the NCAA and the NIT. There will likely be at least nine teams out of the Big Ten selected for those tournaments. If Iowa can't earn their way into that group I don't really see how they "deserve" to play more.
ColumbusHawk
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The Big Ten splits NCAA revenue evenly. The farther teams go in the NCAA the better it is for Iowa's pocket book. Michigan State & O$U won't make one dime more than the Hawks.
I have a funny feeling that Iowa would have to absorb the CBI loss.
Here is an interesting acticle from Forbes on the Big Ten's basketball finances.
Assessing the Financials for Big Ten Men's Basketball - Forbes
Herkyalert
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You make fair points I do agree with you. However I think this year is the exception. Iowa basketball went through some dark days and this season let some light through. Yes Iowa has their chances against Campbell, Nebraska, and Northwestern to shore up a NIT bid and didn't, but they beat some good teams along the way. Who would have though (especially after the Campbell loss) that this squad would win 8 games in the Big Ten, plus 1 in the BTT? I think you reward the players and the coach for their season this one time and get into the CBI. Iowa won't make the NIT and that dream died yesterday.
Like I sad before, go once and then never again.
tm3308
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And if Iowa wants to take that risk, and the Big Ten isn't footing the bill, so what?
But we don't know this. I think this is on what most people are banking their opinion about Delaney being involved in the decision.
However, regardless of if Iowa has to foot the bill, it would still lower the conference's overall revenue. Who knows what the implications of that might be? I am wise enough to admit I don't.
WhitUp
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Here's the deal tork, I'd like us to keep playing to, but this is probably the only year in my life that I can honestly say I feel that way or probably ever feel that way.
But if our conference doesn't want us to and or Jim Delaney why would we? We get 22 Million a year and rising, because of our affiliation with both of them. He has a reason and I'm not even going to worry about what it is, I just assume the guy that's kicking other conferences butts on the business end of college athletics knows what he's doing. It's not the big dance, not even the little dance, it's like the singles over 40's get together at the Y.
ColumbusHawk
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Actually, with the addition of Nebraska & the championship football game, it is going to be about $30 million this year.
HawkForce
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Ummm Gary Barta already basically said Iowa wouldn't want to take that risk? And he is the guy that makes the financial decisions...the BIG probably discouraged Gary and he made the fiscally smart decision.
tm3308
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If Barta doesn't want to go against Delaney/Big Ten, fine. But my issue is with why Delaney even cares.
I've got the feeling it's about nothing else but the fact that the CBI is carried by HDNet (and that it used to be carried by Fox). But that's not a rival network. How do we know this? Because we sign contracts with our rival networks. ESPN is going to be rolling in it with or without the Big Ten. So we sign up and get a slice of that pie. HDNet is nowhere near big enough to warrant that.
