Are you personally worried about getting the Coronavirus?

[EstronHawkKing]

I do for the entertainment. Do I take him seriously. No, which plays into Rob's point.

TK's last post was almost 2 1/2 hrs ago. I wonder if he was booted being that he had posted almost non stop on this thread.

 

[WinOneThisCentury]

Nice you only posted one line out of a paragraph explaining my thoughts. Yea, so people would only see that one line and go "Yea man, I agree." Here's the rest. Make me do the leg work again ...... and you wonder why I get paid more than you!

"..... and I'll add to your points. What makes this country so great is that everybody has an opportunity to make it if they want it bad enough or work hard enough. Say one of your guys believes he has more skill than you are paying him for. After some time he could leave and start his own business if he wanted and make it, being top dog and the most paid. People have a choice. This country is built on opportunity and capitalism.

There's always going to be top dogs or the higher paid individuals, CEO's etc.. People need to stop being jealous and expecting similar pay just because they are employed and do work at a corporation. Get some experience, move on and start your own gig if you don't like it. They act like there is such a wage gap in the US. You want to know where there is drastic wage gaps, communist China, Saudi Arabia and others. There is a wage gap in every damn country and is usually worse in communist countries or where dictators are located. Look at North Korea and tell me how they are doing. Venezuela??

All one has to do in America to make middle income is do 3 things. 3 THINGS!! 1) Stay off drugs or out of jail. 2) Not get a girl pregnant at a young age. 3) Get up and go to work on time."

I understand your point and, trust me, I'm a firm believer in capitalism. I've been very fortunate in my career and truly appreciate it. Being pro business like I am and believing that if you work smart, work hard, and show commitment...you can still be very successful in this country. However, over the past two decades or so, there has been a shift and I personally feel it's driven by greed and self serving corporate structures that have moved the salary structures so far in favor of executive levels, that it's damaging our society...and is deeply rooted in a lot of the unrest in our political system. I know all the comparisons out there look at CEO pay and it should be "executive level" pay vs. the average worker salary...regardless, I'll use the stats I know. In 2018 the average CEO made 287 times the average worker in salary. In 1989, it was 58 times. In 1965, it was 20 times.

It's a completely rigged game. Corporate Boards feed the hands that feed them...it's vicious cycle and everyone gets in line. Who recommends the board members, the executive teams. Who determines comp for a CEO? The Board.

A teller at JP Morgan makes like $14 an hour...and less than $30K a year. Jamie Dimon made $31 million last year...and I know that doesn't even include all the stock bonuses he sees and other perks like housing stipends, car services, private planes, etc. How much is enough?

My concern, if it keeps going like this is that the CEO's will need the money they have earned...to pay for security. Ok, the next thing I'm going to say will freak out the free economy people...but our tax structure should control this. You tell the Corporations, who we bailed out 12 years ago for their horrible management, that you can pay your CEO's $31Million a year, but I'm going to tax you at 85% for every dollar made over $15 Million. I'd ask Mr. Dimon to see if he can find a way to live on $18 million a year. Maybe he has to buy a year old Lamborghini or something...you know...we all have to suffer.

 

[haydensly]

That's the problem. The data don't show the 300k dead. These predictions are based on models that have consistently been shown to be faulty. At some point, you might want to question the so called experts.

Don't confuse models for predictions. Models are constantly adjusted for the data that is updated over time. The original models were based on behaviors that did not materialize. The people setting them up did not believe Americans would socially distance themselves and there would be much more spread and, ultimately, deaths.

This is almost like the weatherman, people complain all the time that they don't get it right. There are too many variables that go into the final output. These experts know way more than anyone on this board. Too easy to be the Monday morning quarterback.

 

[RobHowe]

He has not been banned. It takes a lot to get banned.

Wasn’t there a Josh Brown on here? I called him out and he left voluntarily, supposedly.

I don’t want to ban people. I don’t want to play the heavy. There’s some good conversation in this thread during a time that’s difficult on a lot of folks. I just wish some posters wouldn’t go over the top.

BTW, this thread will be locked and we’ll go back to the long-standing rules as soon as Hawkeye sports come back, if not sooner.

 

[MelroseHawkins]

I understand your point and, trust me, I'm a firm believer in capitalism. I've been very fortunate in my career and truly appreciate it. Being pro business like I am and believing that if you work smart, work hard, and show commitment...you can still be very successful in this country. However, over the past two decades or so, there has been a shift and I personally feel it's driven by greed and self serving corporate structures that have moved the salary structures so far in favor of executive levels, that it's damaging our society...and is deeply rooted in a lot of the unrest in our political system. I know all the comparisons out there look at CEO pay and it should be "executive level" pay vs. the average worker salary...regardless, I'll use the stats I know. In 2018 the average CEO made 287 times the average worker in salary. In 1989, it was 58 times. In 1965, it was 20 times.

It's a completely rigged game. Corporate Boards feed the hands that feed them...it's vicious cycle and everyone gets in line. Who recommends the board members, the executive teams. Who determines comp for a CEO?

A teller at JP Morgan makes like $14 an hour...and less than $30K a year. Jamie Dimon made $31 million last year...and I know that doesn't even include all the stock bonuses he sees and other perks like housing stipends, car services, private planes, etc. How much is enough?

My concern, if it keeps going like this is that the CEO's will need the money they have earned...to pay for security. Ok, the next thing I'm going to say will freak out the free economy people...but our tax structure should control this. You tell the Corporations, who we bailed out 12 years ago for their horrible management, that you can pay your CEO's $31Million a year, but I'm going to tax you at 85% for every dollar made over $15 Million. I'd ask Mr. Dimon to see if he can find a way to live on $18 million a year. Maybe he has buy a year old Lamborghini or something...you know...we all have to suffer.

Fair enough. Great points. Thank you for your objective thoughts and post and civility!

 

[EstronHawkKing]

The airport in Manhattan, KS posted this flight departures as a Coronavirus joke...

 

[EstronHawkKing]

I went to the grocery store today and these cute girls told me that if I come play with them that they would give me toilet paper and hand sanatizer.

 

[RobHowe]

 

[PCHawk]

I hope not or I'm responsible for a lot of deaths.

 

[EstronHawkKing]

Here is an interesting article on famous people and the Coronavirus. The article slams them for the most part being that the virus has stolen the spotlight from them.........


"Would you spare a thought for all the poor, suffering celebrities out there? While this is a difficult time for everyone, it has been particularly tough on the famous. They have been upstaged by a virus. No one cares what they are wearing or who they are snogging any more; the world’s attention has been diverted by a headline-hogging pandemic. It seems as if some celebrities are starting to grapple with the realisation that they are not quite as important or beloved as they thought they were.

Gal Gadot was the first victim of the great celebrity backlash of 2020. “We’re all in this together,” the Wonder Woman star assured us in a video on Instagram a couple of weeks ago, before launching into a star-studded rendition of John Lennon’s Imagine. Can you imagine how little self-awareness you must have to enlist a bunch of multimillionaires to sing about a world with “no possessions” while huge numbers of people are losing their jobs? The tone-deaf performance was swiftly savaged.

One would have thought the glitterati might have learned from the scathing reaction to Gadot’s singalong. But no, the vapid messages of hope from celebs keep coming – as do the disgusted responses from the public. Madonna, for reasons only she knows, decided to preach to us from a bathtub full of rose petals. Covid-19 “doesn’t care about how rich you are” she informed us. “It’s the great equaliser.” It certainly brought people together in disdain for her out-of-touch antics.

Then there is the billionaire David Geffen, who deleted Instagram after the incensed reaction to him posting pictures of his $590m (£480m) superyacht, on which he is self-isolating, with the caption “hope everyone is staying safe”. Faring slightly better on the social media front is Ivanka Trump, who has not yet sequestered herself on a superyacht. Instead she is selflessly educating the great unwashed by posting a video of her kids cleaning their hands with $39 Aesop soap. A real woman of the people.

Now it seems that Pharrell Williams has become the latest celebrity who is stuck inside but can’t read the room. Last week, the musician called on his Twitter followers to donate to hospitals. A representative reply: “You’re worth over $150 million, donate your own money.” Williams later clarified that he had already donated; nevertheless, it feels as if an awful lot of celebrities are more keen on soliciting money from us plebs than reaching into their own purses. The chef and TV star Bobby Flay, for example, who is said to be worth about $30 million, set up a GoFundMe campaign to help him pay his restaurant employees. That is capitalism for you: eventually you have to rely on other people’s money.

Celebrities being clueless is nothing new, but it feels as if there has never been such anger levelled at the jet set. Far from being a “great equaliser”, coronavirus has made inequality impossible to ignore. That is not just wealth inequality, but inequality of access to healthcare. A new famous person seems to test positive for coronavirus every day while exhibiting mild symptoms at best. Meanwhile, our friends and family can be coughing up their lungs and still not get access to a test or a hospital bed.

Celebrity culture and capitalism are inextricably entwined. Both elevate the individual over the collective good. They rely on the lie of “meritocracy”: work hard and you can achieve whatever you want. But it has become uncomfortably clear how little we value our hardest workers – the healthcare professionals, supermarket staff, bus drivers and delivery drivers who are keeping the world running while the rich run to their second homes. And it has never been so clear how little the people who earn the most contribute to society. “We’re all in this together,” the rich and famous keep telling us. Sorry, but it is obvious that we are not."

 

[PCHawk]

I've already addressed this in regards to Sweden. They are a perfect example of how all the doomsday predictions were absurd. The thing is that people really aren't social distancing that much here. Some stores are laying down tape and other things, but people are pretty much ignoring them when in the store. There are also the medical experts out there claiming that people have to be in close contact for an extended period of time for it to actually be spread. It's tough to know what to believe, but history shows that people really shouldn't delve into fear porn. It's my firm belief that probably close to 100 times more people will eventually die due to financial hardships from this event. People are very nearsighted in this regard.

At first I thought like you. I pretty much said "this is stupid. It's not like people aren't still going to stores. But then I put more thought in it and realized how much difference it has to make. With the country locked down, if I get it I would still give it to my family. I would maybe give it to someone at the grocery store going there a handful of times in a month. I might give it to a handful of customers since I'm still working some. But that's it.

Now say its business as usual and I get it. I would be around probably 5 times more customers. I would go to the grocery store probably 3 times more. I would go to restaurants about twice a week. I would go to the gym. My kids would go to kindergarten where they have 20 some kids each in their class. Probably every single kid would get it in both classes and give it to their parents, who would all go about their business until they felt sick.

If our whole family gets it and never feel symptoms for two weeks, the amount of interaction would be 20 times greater than the lives we've been living the last month. That might even be low balling it.

 

[MelroseHawkins]

He has not been banned. It takes a lot to get banned.

Wasn’t there a Josh Brown on here? I called him out and he left voluntarily, supposedly.

I don’t want to ban people. I don’t want to play the heavy. There’s some good conversation in this thread during a time that’s difficult on a lot of folks. I just wish some posters wouldn’t go over the top.

BTW, this thread will be locked and we’ll go back to the long-standing rules as soon as Hawkeye sports come back, if not sooner.

Boy, this is good to know. I gotta step my game up then!

 

[#1DieHardHawk]

Another in a long line of reasons that you couldn't make, "Blazing Saddles" today...

 

[PCHawk]

Here is an interesting article on famous people and the Coronavirus. The article slams them for the most part being that the virus has stolen the spotlight from them.........


"Would you spare a thought for all the poor, suffering celebrities out there? While this is a difficult time for everyone, it has been particularly tough on the famous. They have been upstaged by a virus. No one cares what they are wearing or who they are snogging any more; the world’s attention has been diverted by a headline-hogging pandemic. It seems as if some celebrities are starting to grapple with the realisation that they are not quite as important or beloved as they thought they were.

Gal Gadot was the first victim of the great celebrity backlash of 2020. “We’re all in this together,” the Wonder Woman star assured us in a video on Instagram a couple of weeks ago, before launching into a star-studded rendition of John Lennon’s Imagine. Can you imagine how little self-awareness you must have to enlist a bunch of multimillionaires to sing about a world with “no possessions” while huge numbers of people are losing their jobs? The tone-deaf performance was swiftly savaged.

One would have thought the glitterati might have learned from the scathing reaction to Gadot’s singalong. But no, the vapid messages of hope from celebs keep coming – as do the disgusted responses from the public. Madonna, for reasons only she knows, decided to preach to us from a bathtub full of rose petals. Covid-19 “doesn’t care about how rich you are” she informed us. “It’s the great equaliser.” It certainly brought people together in disdain for her out-of-touch antics.

Then there is the billionaire David Geffen, who deleted Instagram after the incensed reaction to him posting pictures of his $590m (£480m) superyacht, on which he is self-isolating, with the caption “hope everyone is staying safe”. Faring slightly better on the social media front is Ivanka Trump, who has not yet sequestered herself on a superyacht. Instead she is selflessly educating the great unwashed by posting a video of her kids cleaning their hands with $39 Aesop soap. A real woman of the people.

Now it seems that Pharrell Williams has become the latest celebrity who is stuck inside but can’t read the room. Last week, the musician called on his Twitter followers to donate to hospitals. A representative reply: “You’re worth over $150 million, donate your own money.” Williams later clarified that he had already donated; nevertheless, it feels as if an awful lot of celebrities are more keen on soliciting money from us plebs than reaching into their own purses. The chef and TV star Bobby Flay, for example, who is said to be worth about $30 million, set up a GoFundMe campaign to help him pay his restaurant employees. That is capitalism for you: eventually you have to rely on other people’s money.

Celebrities being clueless is nothing new, but it feels as if there has never been such anger levelled at the jet set. Far from being a “great equaliser”, coronavirus has made inequality impossible to ignore. That is not just wealth inequality, but inequality of access to healthcare. A new famous person seems to test positive for coronavirus every day while exhibiting mild symptoms at best. Meanwhile, our friends and family can be coughing up their lungs and still not get access to a test or a hospital bed.

Celebrity culture and capitalism are inextricably entwined. Both elevate the individual over the collective good. They rely on the lie of “meritocracy”: work hard and you can achieve whatever you want. But it has become uncomfortably clear how little we value our hardest workers – the healthcare professionals, supermarket staff, bus drivers and delivery drivers who are keeping the world running while the rich run to their second homes. And it has never been so clear how little the people who earn the most contribute to society. “We’re all in this together,” the rich and famous keep telling us. Sorry, but it is obvious that we are not."

Am I the who finds it ridiculous that celebrities can't tweet out inspiring stuff because they have a lot of money? "You can't say we are all in this together because you're rich". That doesn't make sense to me.

 

[MelroseHawkins]

What a shitty post.

 

[MelroseHawkins]

Am I the who finds it ridiculous that celebrities can't tweet out inspiring stuff because they have a lot of money? "You can't say we are all in this together because you're rich". That doesn't make sense to me.

Yea, I also like how some view them as brilliant because they are a celebrity or famous.

 

[HawkU]

I understand it fully. It is still silly.

You probably have the time. Take a good look throughout history and what has happened to nation states that have been overcome by fear.

 

[MelroseHawkins]

He has not been banned. It takes a lot to get banned.

Wasn’t there a Josh Brown on here? I called him out and he left voluntarily, supposedly.

I don’t want to ban people. I don’t want to play the heavy. There’s some good conversation in this thread during a time that’s difficult on a lot of folks. I just wish some posters wouldn’t go over the top.

BTW, this thread will be locked and we’ll go back to the long-standing rules as soon as Hawkeye sports come back, if not sooner.

Let's be honest. You need eyes on the site right now ......... which is perfectly fine!

Your an entrepreneur. We get it. There's nothing wrong with that.

 

[RobHowe]

Sure. Traffic is important. But programmatic ad dollars have plummeted the last month. That’s our main source of revenue here...for now.

 

[Hawk1960]

Here is an interesting article on famous people and the Coronavirus. The article slams them for the most part being that the virus has stolen the spotlight from them.........

Great article. I can't remember who said it but they made the point that it's interesting to see truck drivers and stockers at the stores labeled as essential and Hollywood is not.