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Hawk5656 said:
So by your theory Bohannon's assists will probably go down next year with Jok gone
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It's definitely possible. The rest of the team might improve a lot because they are so young tho. He might get less minutes next year too with Connor coming in so they might drop because of that too.

But wait a second. It's "my theory" that assists have a lot to do with who you're passing to? So is it your theory that Mike would have had just as many assists last year if you replaced Uthoff and Jok with Baer and Moss?
 
PCHawk said:
It's definitely possible. The rest of the team might improve a lot because they are so young tho. He might get less minutes next year too with Connor coming in so they might drop because of that too.

But wait a second. It's "my theory" that assists have a lot to do with who you're passing to? So is it your theory that Mike would have had just as many assists last year if you replaced Uthoff and Jok with Baer and Moss?
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Of course assists have a lot to do with who you're passing to. If you drive and kick to a 40% 3 pt shooter or drive and kick to Aaron White for a 3 it's going to change your assist numbers. Your theory was he didn't create offense for other players and just passed the ball on the perimeter while Uthoff and Jok chucked deep 3's and made them
 
Hawk5656 said:
Of course assists have a lot to do with who you're passing to. If you drive and kick to a 40% 3 pt shooter or drive and kick to Aaron White for a 3 it's going to change your assist numbers. Your theory was he didn't create offense for other players and just passed the ball on the perimeter while Uthoff and Jok chucked deep 3's and made them
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And it's true that JB is getting some assists where Jok drills contested jumpers that most players won't take. That's why I've said all along there are two kinds of assists. The one where the passer makes a play, and the one where the shooter does 100% of the work. In think Mike was the beneficiary of an abnormally high number of the second kind due to how good Uthoff and Jok were at making jumpers off screens.
 
PCHawk said:
And it's true that JB is getting some assists where Jok drills contested jumpers that most players won't take. That's why I've said all along there are two kinds of assists. The one where the passer makes a play, and the one where the shooter does 100% of the work. In think Mike was the beneficiary of an abnormally high number of the second kind due to how good Uthoff and Jok were at making jumpers off screens.
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I just think it's funny you won't give Mike credit for those assists but then you point out Bohannon's assist numbers like they're something special. That's all
 
Hawk5656 said:
I think Mike was a great passer his senior year. He set a school record for most assists in a season. I don't even know why someone would want to argue that
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Troll man,

While I'm having way too much fun watching these other posters destroy your logic up and down this thread, I figured I'd throw in my weekly dose of reality your way.

So let's reference your above post. You say MG was a great passer his senior year. You've also said he was an above average defender with a good pull up game. Seems to me a great passer, above average defender, with a good pull up game is a pretty good PG. So you think MG was a pretty good player which is all fine and good, to each their own.

However your other main troll argument on this site is that Fran can't recruit, more specifically Fran can't recruit point guards. As far as I know Fran did indeed recruit MG. Do you see the irony there?

So now let's talk about Jordan. Since becoming the starter (5 games) his line is:
11.8ppg/ 5.6 assists/ 2.4 turnovers
33.9% FG / 41.4% 3pt FG

I think the reason some are excited about Jordan's potential is that most people who know basketball will tell you his 2pt FG% is bound to improve. Also, as an advanced statistic guy isn't there a true shooting stat that uses 2s, 3s, and FTs? That would probably be a good stat for Jordan because he shoots so many threes. As far as defense we've held 3 of our last 5 opponents under 70, which certainly isn't all Jordan but he's played his part. Anyways, I don't see any reason to call him a bust just yet.

See you next week troll man :)
 
Hawk5656 said:
I just think it's funny you won't give Mike credit for those assists but then you point out Bohannon's assist numbers like they're something special. That's all
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I pointed them out to you because you think Mike was a great player because of them but think JB sucks regardless of them. I understand tho that you don't really think Mike was good tho. Praising past players is a great way to rip on everything that has to do with the current team and still come off as a hawk fan.
 
NikeHawk21 said:
Troll man,

While I'm having way too much fun watching these other posters destroy your logic up and down this thread, I figured I'd throw in my weekly dose of reality your way.

So let's reference your above post. You say MG was a great passer his senior year. You've also said he was an above average defender with a good pull up game. Seems to me a great passer, above average defender, with a good pull up game is a pretty good PG. So you think MG was a pretty good player which is all fine and good, to each their own.

However your other main troll argument on this site is that Fran can't recruit, more specifically Fran can't recruit point guards. As far as I know Fran did indeed recruit MG. Do you see the irony there?

So now let's talk about Jordan. Since becoming the starter (5 games) his line is:
11.8ppg/ 5.6 assists/ 2.4 turnovers
33.9% FG / 41.4% 3pt FG

I think the reason some are excited about Jordan's potential is that most people who know basketball will tell you his 2pt FG% is bound to improve. Also, as an advanced statistic guy isn't there a true shooting stat that uses 2s, 3s, and FTs? That would probably be a good stat for Jordan because he shoots so many threes. As far as defense we've held 3 of our last 5 opponents under 70, which certainly isn't all Jordan but he's played his part. Anyways, I don't see any reason to call him a bust just yet.

See you next week troll man :)
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Yes there is a true shooting stat and Bohannon's eFG% is 43%. His TS% is 46%
 
Two things I would do if everyone made fun of my opinion. One would be to be embarrassed. The other would be to second guess my opinion.
 
PCHawk said:
I pointed them out to you because you think Mike was a great player because of them but think JB sucks regardless of them. I understand tho that you don't really think Mike was good tho. Praising past players is a great way to rip on everything that has to do with the current team and still come off as a hawk fan.
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I've said over and over I thought Mike was an above average Big Ten PG and he was honorable mention all conference because of it
 
NikeHawk21 said:
Troll man,

While I'm having way too much fun watching these other posters destroy your logic up and down this thread, I figured I'd throw in my weekly dose of reality your way.

So let's reference your above post. You say MG was a great passer his senior year. You've also said he was an above average defender with a good pull up game. Seems to me a great passer, above average defender, with a good pull up game is a pretty good PG. So you think MG was a pretty good player which is all fine and good, to each their own.

However your other main troll argument on this site is that Fran can't recruit, more specifically Fran can't recruit point guards. As far as I know Fran did indeed recruit MG. Do you see the irony there?

So now let's talk about Jordan. Since becoming the starter (5 games) his line is:
11.8ppg/ 5.6 assists/ 2.4 turnovers
33.9% FG / 41.4% 3pt FG

I think the reason some are excited about Jordan's potential is that most people who know basketball will tell you his 2pt FG% is bound to improve. Also, as an advanced statistic guy isn't there a true shooting stat that uses 2s, 3s, and FTs? That would probably be a good stat for Jordan because he shoots so many threes. As far as defense we've held 3 of our last 5 opponents under 70, which certainly isn't all Jordan but he's played his part. Anyways, I don't see any reason to call him a bust just yet.

See you next week troll man :)
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The thing about his 2 pt percentage is he is trying to do things he could do in high school 11 games into his career. More than likely he will either get better at it or stop doing it. It's also a really small sample size I would assume. I highly doubt he has attempted many 2s.
 
Hawk5656 said:
Mike's career eFG% and career TS% is better than Bohannon's this year

/thread I guess?
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So they are very comparable in terms a true shooting right now. Would you be willing to make a wager that Jordan's true shooting following the completion of this year exceeds MG's career true shooting? Also, I haven't heard a response yet to my original post about the irony of your arguments.
 
Hawk5656 said:
I've said over and over I thought Mike was an above average Big Ten PG and he was honorable mention all conference because of it
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You've said that after he was gone. I have no memory at all of you posting hundreds of posts last year defending him.
 
There is no way in hell I would have talked to ISU fans last year about how good Niang was. But this year I would tell them all how bad they miss him. I'm not saying, I'm just saying.
 
NikeHawk21 said:
So they are very comparable in terms a true shooting right now. Would you be willing to make a wager that Jordan's true shooting following the completion of this year exceeds MG's career true shooting? Also, I haven't heard a response yet to my original post about the irony of your arguments.
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But I thought Bohannon was a much better shooter than Mike so how can that be?
 
Hawk5656 said:
I was plenty complimentary of him last year. Woodbury too
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By plenty complimentary do you mean every once in a while throwing out a "Mike is good" post like you do with Baer now? Or does it mean 100 posts in every thread raving about how good he is?
 
Hawk5656 said:
But I thought Bohannon was a much better shooter than Mike so how can that be?
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Put your money where your mouth is clown troll. And to answer your question the only reason they are close right now is because of Jordan's extremely bad 2pt % (12%). If he gets that up to even (24%) there numbers probably aren't close. He also got off to a poor start shooting threes, so I expect his 3pt % to continue to improve. Remember he's only played 11 games only started 5.

Also, still waiting for that response on my original post.
 
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