Are we the third best team in Iowa?

Mike was really good as a freshman. To me he got worse (confidence wise) or stayed the same throughout his career. That was the thing people were frustrated with. The "honorable mention" all conference thing comes with territory for a 4 year senior starter on a good team.

As far as Jordan goes. I love having a PG who can stroke it from deep because it spreads the defense out. It's funny I think this team is better offensively than last years team with Jok and a 1st team All American. I'm sure there is a KenPom stat that says otherwise, but just eye test wise I think this team would be way tougher to defend. Now that's not all because of Jordan but he defintely has been part.
 
deanvogs said:
I meant Jordan is playing better D.

No, I'm having fun trolling the troll, so I'll keep this up. Thing is I don't have to make up an opinion to troll you. I just take away your stupid strawmen, point out your inconsistencies, and make you look pretty stupid. But yeah, facts do troll trolls.
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Dean I think you're giving yourself too much credit for being the one who makes him look stupid. Only one person here is making him look stupid.
 
PCHawk said:
Like the makeup of the team around them and how their game impacts their teammates game. And what does me being a huge Homer have to do with anything. They are both Hawkeyes so my homerism doesn't matter.
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I don't think you understand how advanced statistics work. Mike was pretty damn good as a freshman. He was a better player than Bohannon has been so far and it's not near as close as you pretend it to be. Also you hate Mike for some reason so when I say you're a homer it's because you over value a current player and under value former players. You predicted CW to be better this year than Mike was as a senior. One of the dumbest things I've ever heard. It's like he stole your girlfriend
 
NikeHawk21 said:
Mike was really good as a freshman. To me he got worse (confidence wise) or stayed the same throughout his career. That was the thing people were frustrated with. The "honorable mention" all conference thing comes with territory for a 4 year senior starter on a good team.

As far as Jordan goes. I love having a PG who can stroke it from deep because it spreads the defense out. It's funny I think this team is better offensively than last years team with Jok and a 1st team All American. I'm sure there is a KenPom stat that says otherwise, but just eye test wise I think this team would be way tougher to defend. Now that's not all because of Jordan but he defintely has been part.
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If any stat shows we're worse offensively, it will change as the year goes on. Lately we are way better than we we're at the end of last year and at least equal to our high point last year.
 
Hawk5656 said:
I don't think you understand how advanced statistics work. Mike was pretty damn good as a freshman. He was a better player than Bohannon has been so far and it's not near as close as you pretend it to be. Also you hate Mike for some reason so when I say you're a homer it's because you over value a current player and under value former players. You predicted CW to be better this year than Mike was as a senior. One of the dumbest things I've ever heard. It's like he stole your girlfriend
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I predicted point guard to be equally productive. My bad it was JB instead of CW. What I knew for sure was Mikes production would be easy to replace.
 
Hawk5656 said:
I don't think you understand how advanced statistics work. Mike was pretty damn good as a freshman. He was a better player than Bohannon has been so far and it's not near as close as you pretend it to be. Also you hate Mike for some reason so when I say you're a homer it's because you over value a current player and under value former players. You predicted CW to be better this year than Mike was as a senior. One of the dumbest things I've ever heard. It's like he stole your girlfriend
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You must know what it's like for a player to steel your girlfriend since JB stole yours.
 
Hawk5656 said:
Mike as a freshman was better offensively and defensively than Bohannon. Those are the facts that can be proven but troll on
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Why is it that you post about two things? Jordan Bohannon and ISU being better than Iowa?

What did you think of the UNI game? Did you think Jordan played good D? Did you think Uhl played good D? Did you think Pemsl played well?

Do you have any thoughts on Iowa BB outside of Jordan?
 
deanvogs said:
Why is it that you post about two things? Jordan Bohannon and ISU being better than Iowa?

What did you think of the UNI game? Did you think Jordan played good D? Did you think Uhl played good D? Did you think Pemsl played well?

Do you have any thoughts on Iowa BB outside of Jordan?
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Baer, Jok and Pemsl played great against UNI. Jok hit some incredible shots and actually defended better
 
Hawk5656 said:
Baer, Jok and Pemsl played great against UNI. Jok hit some incredible shots and actually defended better
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Baby steps I guess. Now if you could just talk about those things as passionately as you bash on Jordan or how passionately you feel about ISU being better than Iowa we might get somewhere here.
 
deanvogs said:
Baby steps I guess. Now if you could just talk about those things as passionately as you bash on Jordan or how passionately you feel about ISU being better than Iowa we might get somewhere here.
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I hardly ever talk about ISU and if I'm bashing Jordan than all you guys are bashing Mike
 
Hawk5656 said:
No it's stupid and wrong to say Jordan has been as good as Mike was as a freshman. I actually believe you like Mike you just want to argue with me even though you know I'm right
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I am trying to think of all the big 3's and important free throws that Mike G. made at crunch time in his career at Iowa. I am not having much luck.. I do recall numerous games where MG and his team mates crapped their pants, blowing big leads, missing free throws, etc. down the stretch. JB will save many hawk victories in the coming years with his clutch 3 point shooting and 90% free throw shooting.
 
Hawk5656 said:
No it's stupid and wrong to say Jordan has been as good as Mike was as a freshman. I actually believe you like Mike you just want to argue with me even though you know I'm right
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25 MPG 40% FG 32% 3PT 2.6 APG 1.7 TOV 8.7 PPG
26 MPG 30% FG 37% 3PT 4.8 APG 2.5 TOV 8.2 PPG

Jordan has been very similar to Mike as a Fr. To say differently is just stupid and wrong. Jordan has a long way to go yet this year, maybe he improves more, maybe he hits a wall. So far though very similar.
 
deanvogs said:
25 MPG 40% FG 32% 3PT 2.6 APG 1.7 TOV 8.7 PPG
26 MPG 30% FG 37% 3PT 4.8 APG 2.5 TOV 8.2 PPG

Jordan has been very similar to Mike as a Fr. To say differently is just stupid and wrong. Jordan has a long way to go yet this year, maybe he improves more, maybe he hits a wall. So far though very similar.
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Mike was much more efficient on both ends of the floor his freshman year and you know that
 
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