GhostofBTT
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What I meant Deez is that KVH is much more athletic than White is. It isn't even close. There is a reason why KVH was an all-American and lottery pick.
Aaron White!
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BasketballMan
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On most nights, White is not the best shooter on the floor. Nor is he the best passer, rebounder, or guy blocking shots. However, on many many nights, Whitey is simply the best BASKETBALL PLAYER on the floor. For some reason, I'm thinking that translates quite favorably into a kid that has a decent shot at making the pros in 2 1/2 years. Does he need to develop his 3 ball? Yes. Does he need to get stronger? Yes. Is he athletic enough? Absolutely. Certain posters keep minimizing the fact the kid is only a sophomore. If history repeats itself, he is only gonna get better.
franstheman
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LOL and to say Aaron doesn't move without the ball well is absurd. He is a master at flashing to the post for an easy dunk.
GhostofBTT
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Oh you...
RocknRollface
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Im not saying White will get into the NBA but his chances are a hell of allot better than any chance Gatens ever had. Matt shot 37% from 3 and didn't do anything else anywhere close to a pro level. He specialized in getting blocked at the rim.
White would have to develop a real 3 point shot first and foremost but there have been players like White in the NBA. Robbert Horry and Andrei Kirilenko would be examples of power forwards with similar body types and athleticism although more skilled.
RocknRollface
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Draymond Green is undersized and not very athletic.
The NBA is actually not full of good big men right now. Anderson Varejao is one of the top 4s in the league, Marc Gasol is one of the top two or three centers.
Right now the nba is full of guys who are way past their prime, allot of unskilled athletes who can dunk but not much else and a bunch of indistinguishable europeans.
This isn't the days of Shaq, Ewing, Robinson, Duncan, Olajawan, Morning ect ect.
franstheman
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RocknRollface
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There is no one who has the budding skills of a Larry Bird.
Out of people currently playing on any level you could compare Kobe and maybe Carmello Anthony in terms of ability to create shots to Bird and no one other than Magic or Jason Kidd is comparable as an all around passer.
Comparing people to Bird is so ridiculous.
RocknRollface
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Im not sure why you would say its not close. By the looks of it, its exactly what I would call close.
Its not at all like Van Horn was some high riser like a Blake Griffin or something, he was bigger and stronger than White though.
Wow, you are just WAY off!
The NBA is not very loaded at the true C position but anymore most NBA teams don't refer to guys as a C. The 4 & 5 has kind of just run together since there are so many skilled players who are 6'10 plus in height who 15-20 years ago would have been categorized as a center.
Kevin Love
Blake Griffin
Pau Gasol
Josh Smith
Lamarcus Aldridge
Dirk Nowitzki
Tim Duncan
Kevin Garnett
Chris Bosh
Greg Monroe
Andrea Bargani
Nene
Ryan Anderson
Carlos Boozer
Anthony Davis
Taj Gibson
Ersa Ilyasova
There are more players I can add to the list but got tired of listing them. I love your quote about "unskilled athletes" who the heck are you talking about.
You obviously know nothing about the NBA.
Here are some good what you would call true Centers today I guess...
Dwight Howard
Brook Lopez
Demarcus Cousins
Al Jefferson
Joakim Noah
Marc Gasol
Andrew Bynum
Hawkeye11en1
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I do love this post. He's 42nd in his own class....so that would put him mid-2nd round if NBA teams were only able to pick from the SR class when he reaches that status.
All of those other players have the ability to get better as well. Saying he will be drafted is crazy. I'd like to see some odds (yeah scorp, ODDS) on whether or not he gets drafted. My guess:
NOT drafted: 2-1
Drafted: 30-1
Lottery Pick: 115-1
bcl20
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A good chunk of those big man can hit a mid range jumper where as a lot of the big men from the past weren't great shooters.
GhostofBTT
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My love for common sense always kicks the bleep out of mah love for teh Hox.
franstheman
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So, what exactly are you saying? That Ryan Bowen did not lead the Big Ten in rebounding while at Iowa?
We are trying to compare White to another player,and while he is not an exact clone of Bowen, they are similar to this point anyway. I acknowledged that White was not quite the athlete that Bowen was,but in many ways their games are similar. Bowen was a garbage-man type scorer at Iowa,with no real shooting touch...I think White is similar. I concede that White does not have the feet of Bowen,but in college Bowen rarely even played man to man in Dr Toms zone system,so as far as college comparisons, they are similar. Rebounders, garbage scorers who run the floor very well, good hands,smart,with similar sized bodies. Works for me.
RocknRollface
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Who are you comparing them too? Im not comparing them to Aaron White, im comparing them to past NBA decades.
Compared to the late 80s, 90s and early 2000s most of the big men of the NBA today aren't as good. They are athletic but not nearly as big, not nearly as physical and most of them don't have back to the basket games anymore. They are better jump shooters i guess.
Im not saying the NBA isn't as good but the game has changed and its a guard dominated league now and part of that is the lack of quality big men. Granted they also don't allow as much contact now which is significant. Guards didn't used to be able to operate in the lane because they would get hammered.
The fact you included guys like Duncan and Garrnet,is telling. Those guys and the likes of Rasheed Wallace ect can still hang around because of the lack of real post players.
Of course there are still plenty of good players, Love, Ebaka, Al Jefferson, Bosh and a few others are good possibly great, Griffin is getting better and Dirk is still good but hes been around forever. Overall those lists of 4s and 5s are very unimpressive and just prove my point.
Sorry you do understand the NBA well!
I agree the game is guard dominated in that they don't allow near the hand checking they used to so it's easier to get into the lane.
I think some of the lack of post game is just a part of evolution. Maybe it was the euro's that lead the way showing that you can space the floor better with 6'10 guys who can put the ball on the floor and have 18 foot plus range on jump shots. This lead to young players who are taller to work on that part of their game more than pure post stuff. I think sometimes big kids did not not want to get forced to play the post just because they were tall and it helps when they see big guys at the highest level who have more than just a post game. I think it's just evolution of the game more than anything.
I mean NBA teams don't want to waste roster space on straight up goons any more. It seems like you saw a bunch of players like that around the NBA in the 80's especially. They were not good players but they used their 6 fouls to just hammer anyone who tried to get to the hoop via the lane.
I don't see it as players being less skilled now because they don't have back to the basket game I consider today's player way more skilled.
The funny thing is when I watch NBA games from the 1988 - 1994 time frame which really does not feel that long ago I look at players and they look like a joke. They are just so skinny looking compared to today's NBA player.
Guys have gotten bigger, stronger and faster and I guess I feel that they have actually improved upon their overall game.
I agree with you that the post game seems to be the part of the game that players seem to not work on as much anymore. I think they still allow a lot of contact on the blocks so maybe some players feel shooting an open 15 foot shot is a better shot than trying to bang your way through heavy contact to shoot a shot around the block area.
Aaron white is not really built for the nba unless he improves in a few spots. Main reason is his size matches more of what a 3 is in the nba. But his skillset matches what a face up 4 does in the nba (this is the position he plays in college).
1) ballhandling - he is an above average ball handler for a 4 but when compared to a 3 he is below average.
2) shot - he has a midrange like a face up 4 but he can't shoot like a 3.
3) drive - since he doesn't have the outside game of a 3 he better be able to be them to the hole...he can't but he can beat 4s.
4) strength - he isn't strong enough to match up with a nba 4.
5) defense - he isn't laterally quick enough to stay with a nba 3 and he isn't strong enough to play with a 4.
In the end he just has too many weaknesses when compared to nba players. As a 3 he lacks the shot and quickness. As a 4 he lacks strenth and size. Aaron is tailor made to be a great college player but not an nba player. The rules are different enough that dominating in college doesn't always translate into being a good (or even making it in) nba. Aaron is more likely a 4 for the european leagues. His game would translate there.
1) ballhandling - he is an above average ball handler for a 4 but when compared to a 3 he is below average.
2) shot - he has a midrange like a face up 4 but he can't shoot like a 3.
3) drive - since he doesn't have the outside game of a 3 he better be able to be them to the hole...he can't but he can beat 4s.
4) strength - he isn't strong enough to match up with a nba 4.
5) defense - he isn't laterally quick enough to stay with a nba 3 and he isn't strong enough to play with a 4.
In the end he just has too many weaknesses when compared to nba players. As a 3 he lacks the shot and quickness. As a 4 he lacks strenth and size. Aaron is tailor made to be a great college player but not an nba player. The rules are different enough that dominating in college doesn't always translate into being a good (or even making it in) nba. Aaron is more likely a 4 for the european leagues. His game would translate there.
