Aaron White will be a solid NBA player

[Tskinner]

i have one thing to say, it is is ESPN who states he is the 15th best freshman and 3rd best in the BT and it has nothing to do with his stats as to where stands,
for example to make sure you get the point,
they are not saying he is scoring 12 pts a game to put him between the 14th place scorer at 13 pts per game and 16 at 11 ppg, stats have nothing to do with their rankings.
they feel he IS the 15th best freshman in the country, why do you hate on the kid to keep ragging on him

Top 25 freshmen - Kentucky, SEC youngbloods dominate rankings - NCB - ESPN

Sadly you are wrong again, the author states very clearly in the intro "THIS IS A PERFORMANCE BASED LIST," meaning it IS numbers based on only freshman who get playing time.

I have already said multiple times and will say it again since you have demonstrated very poor reading skills: White will be a very good college player if he continues to get better, many All Conference Players don't even make the NBA. I already posted this once in a direct reply to you when you said it the first time.

Why don't you just focus on creating more lame "Kozan Chooses Iowa" threads?

 

[jacknicholson]

I will say this, Austin Rivers Will be a star in the NBA.....

He might be the best freshman I have seen in a long time. Like him better than Wall.....

Really a pleasure to watch him play the game.....

 

[truehawk]

Tskinner Idk why you said it went over my head. I knew what I was saying. He may end up worse then some of those players but he might not. Right now he is actually rated in the top ten. So how about until all those other kids do something we will just stick with AW who has proven he is good over those bench players who haven't shown anything. I think that is fair for now.

 

[herbyhawk]

and to think he was just a bench player to get that recognition, he didn't start til a couple of games ago, if he had started who know what kind of stats he would have.
10 ppg for a bench player is pretty good, now i believe all those greater stats for the starters don't mean much, why don't you post the minutes pg the others are getting compared to White then tell us superior those other players are,
my guess i they are getting at least 5 mpg or more pg

 

[GhostofBTT]

and to think he was just a bench player to get that recognition, he didn't start til a couple of games ago, if he had started who know what kind of stats he would have.
10 ppg for a bench player is pretty good, now i believe all those greater stats for the starters don't mean much, why don't you post the minutes pg the others are getting compared to White then tell us superior those other players are,
my guess i they are getting at least 5 mpg or more pg

White is playing starters minutes for Iowa, whether or not he actually starts games.

 

[herbyhawk]

anything to tear the kid down, but i guess his avg of 21.2 minutes per game could be viewed as starter minutes; i again ask show the minutes per game of the others to prove he is so bad and has been overrated

 

[herbyhawk]

where are the minutes pg stats i asked for, can't dispute the descipency in minutes to trash a kid. its not my reading skills that need to be judged, its the info you use to try to discredit the kid

 

[herbyhawk]

how bout that i found a way to shutup both ghost and skinner, ask them for a simple stat to back up their claim about how overrated White is, but then again all they have done has been to show how big a haters they are of Iowa players

 

[ICHAWK]

where are the minutes pg stats i asked for, can't dispute the descipency in minutes to trash a kid. its not my reading skills that need to be judged, its the info you use to try to discredit the kid

It's an insider article so I don't have access to the whole story.

White averages 25.16 minutes per game in Big 10 play.

I guess you could also argue maybe some guys on the list score slightly less points but if they are on better teams maybe they are not asked to score as much. For instance a PG could be asked to distribute the ball more than score. Centers have a tough time scoring at times if the team fails to get them the ball consistently see Myers Leonard syndrome.

This was an NBA based thread and NBA draft express as of January 21st has White ranked as the 57th best freshmen based on NBA potential. This does not mean he can't go up the chart each year within his class as he plays at Iowa.

This stat means based on NBA potential as ranked by scouts think that White is the 57th best freshmen. These guys know more than you or I do Herby.

The ESPN ranking is based on what has a player done. Obviously some players did not make the cut simply because they don't play. There are some good players stuck behind good depth. Does Aaron White play if he is on Ohio State's roster? I would say no, but it does not mean he is bad.

 

[herbyhawk]

not aurgueing with that, but it get old as they constamtlt tear a kid down with no real reasoning of stats, and like i said he did not start till the 2nd half of the BT season, and even with avg'ing 25 minutes a game in the BT season he is avg'ing just over 21 minutes a game for the season, it would a different story had he avg'd that 25 mpg for the whole season to see where he would be ranked on that list, and White also plays the spot that is the most loaded, that alone is the telling stat that shows he is that good

 

[herbyhawk]

if you would i would like to know the stat difference between OOC to INC, as that would make or break my opinion, if his stats went down in Conf play vs OOC play

 

[frank]

not aurgueing with that, but it get old as they constamtlt tear a kid down with no real reasoning of stats, and like i said he did not start till the 2nd half of the BT season, and even with avg'ing 25 minutes a game in the BT season he is avg'ing just over 21 minutes a game for the season, it would a different story had he avg'd that 25 mpg for the whole season to see where he would be ranked on that list, and White also plays the spot that is the most loaded, that alone is the telling stat that shows he is that good

Stop building him up to be the next coming of larry bird and maybe they'll stop having to "tear" him down...

 

[herbyhawk]

don't tell me you have no faith in him being good, and fans don't have a right to get excited about a players ability getting better

 

[IAJay]

I will say this, Austin Rivers Will be a star in the NBA.....

He might be the best freshman I have seen in a long time. Like him better than Wall.....

Really a pleasure to watch him play the game.....

You are quite possibly the only person in the country who likes watching Rivers play. Outside of the Dukies obviously.

 

[IAJay]

Says the guy who is arguing Basabe must be one of the best sophomores in the country because his Freshman numbers were good. It's hilarious someone who clearly knows so little about college basketball calls himself basketball man. Sorry you embarrassed yourself in this thread.

Bro, it really isn't worth wasting your time arguing with people like this guy and Herby. People who understand anything about basketball understand what you are saying and you have done a good job expressing the rational opinion here.

 

[Section136]

ESPN then has it all wrong as they are the ones calling him the 15th best freshmen in the country and list him as the 3rd best freshmen in the BT, but i guess you know more than they do. maybe you should apply for the job as talent evaluator for ESPN. or better yet start your own talent evaluation agency and sell your services to the NBA

i have one thing to say, it is is ESPN who states he is the 15th best freshman and 3rd best in the BT and it has nothing to do with his stats as to where stands,
for example to make sure you get the point,
they are not saying he is scoring 12 pts a game to put him between the 14th place scorer at 13 pts per game and 16 at 11 ppg, stats have nothing to do with their rankings.
they feel he IS the 15th best freshman in the country, why do you hate on the kid to keep ragging on him

So let me get this right herby. When ESPN drops Iowa recruits in their rankings it is because they dont have a clue and have a bias against the Hawks, but when they give an Iowa player good pub it is because they are good at talent evaluating?

 

[herbyhawk]

two different departments within ESPN, there are the talking heads that see and call games, then you have the ranking dept who watch them during the summer,assign the *'s and rankings, then pay little attention to the kids other than to who they committ to.
after the summer AAU circuit Woodbury was rated in the top 50 with a score of 95, without having played another minute of BB he signed with Iowa vs UNC
then he was dropped out of the top 50 and his score was reduced to a 94, not only did he drop but all 5 of Iowas recruits were dropped, Gesell from 72nd to 87 from a 93 to a 92, Ingram and Meyer were dropped to 2*'s, again it was based on who they signed with, and they are in seperate dept. done by different people.
to much f who they sign with influences the kids ratings.
Paige who signed with UNC had a score of 95 and a ranking of 40th jumped up to a score of 96 and up to 22nd, high enough to get him into the McD AA game, the only thing that happened between the end of summer and signing day was who he signed with.
it the opinion of other that had Woodbury signed with UNC he would have been listed as a 5* #20 overall and a 97 and rather than drop from the 7th best center he would have made the top 5 at his position, now he listed as the 15th best center, all this without playing a minute of BB after summer evals

 

[jackl]

two different departments within ESPN, there are the talking heads that see and call games, then you have the ranking dept who watch them during the summer,assign the *'s and rankings, then pay little attention to the kids other than to who they committ to.
after the summer AAU circuit Woodbury was rated in the top 50 with a score of 95, without having played another minute of BB he signed with Iowa vs UNC
then he was dropped out of the top 50 and his score was reduced to a 94, not only did he drop but all 5 of Iowas recruits were dropped, Gesell from 72nd to 87 from a 93 to a 92, Ingram and Meyer were dropped to 2*'s, again it was based on who they signed with, and they are in seperate dept. done by different people.
to much f who they sign with influences the kids ratings.
Paige who signed with UNC had a score of 95 and a ranking of 40th jumped up to a score of 96 and up to 22nd, high enough to get him into the McD AA game, the only thing that happened between the end of summer and signing day was who he signed with.
it the opinion of other that had Woodbury signed with UNC he would have been listed as a 5* #20 overall and a 97 and rather than drop from the 7th best center he would have made the top 5 at his position, now he listed as the 15th best center, all this without playing a minute of BB after summer evals

The ranking department and the talking head department? LMAO

 

[Section136]

two different departments within ESPN, there are the talking heads that see and call games, then you have the ranking dept who watch them during the summer,assign the *'s and rankings, then pay little attention to the kids other than to who they committ to.
after the summer AAU circuit Woodbury was rated in the top 50 with a score of 95, without having played another minute of BB he signed with Iowa vs UNC
then he was dropped out of the top 50 and his score was reduced to a 94, not only did he drop but all 5 of Iowas recruits were dropped, Gesell from 72nd to 87 from a 93 to a 92, Ingram and Meyer were dropped to 2*'s, again it was based on who they signed with, and they are in seperate dept. done by different people.
to much f who they sign with influences the kids ratings.
Paige who signed with UNC had a score of 95 and a ranking of 40th jumped up to a score of 96 and up to 22nd, high enough to get him into the McD AA game, the only thing that happened between the end of summer and signing day was who he signed with.
it the opinion of other that had Woodbury signed with UNC he would have been listed as a 5* #20 overall and a 97 and rather than drop from the 7th best center he would have made the top 5 at his position, now he listed as the 15th best center, all this without playing a minute of BB after summer evals

So basically what you are saying is:

The guys that watch and evaluate college basketball at ESPN are smart.

The guys that watch and evaluate high school basketball at ESPN are dumb.

Got it.

 

[Hawksel]

So basically what you are saying is:

The guys that watch and evaluate college basketball at ESPN are smart.

The guys that watch and evaluate high school basketball at ESPN are dumb.

Got it.

A better argument could be that ranking high school recruits is always subjective due to level of competition as well as ranking potential; so, like it or not, the teams that offer will always play a part in how players are ranked.

No recruiting analyst, for example, knew that Aaron White was going to grow a few inches and shoot as well from 3-point as he has this year. If he had been recruited by North Carolina, though, besides just Iowa, I think he would have been less of a sleeper recruit.