4 years, 36 wins is that good?

lightning1 said:
Just out of curiosity, what does it tell you that we have 36 wins over the past 4 years, no wins vs Wisconsin or PSU, the 2 toughest teams on our schedule every year and 1 Pinstripe Bowl win. What does that tell you about those 36 wins? I'm genuinely curious to know what your thoughts are on this.
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That we are not undefeated.
 
lightning1 said:
Just out of curiosity, what does it tell you that we have 36 wins over the past 4 years, no wins vs Wisconsin or PSU, the 2 toughest teams on our schedule every year and 1 Pinstripe Bowl win. What does that tell you about those 36 wins? I'm genuinely curious to know what your thoughts are on this. What does 36 wins + 1 Pinstripe Bowl victory do for your perspective? Especially when you consider the blow out losses in the other 3 Bowl games.
You're the new decider of Iowa fan perspective. Enlighten us all. Pretty please.
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We are very similar to Michigan in a lot of ways. 36 vs. 38 wins. Both teams 1-2 the last three years in Bowls. Michigan is 0-4 against their biggest rival OSU and 2-2 against MSU, we are 1-3 against Wisconsin and 1-3 against Northwestern.
 
westender said:
The last 2 against Penn State could have gone either way. The last one against Wisconsin we know why we lost (turnovers). Did we lose them yes, but we shot ourselves. I don't blame coaches for turnovers.
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Turnovers decide a high majority of games. Winning, well coached teams learn to play efficient and smart. Average teams fumble away opportunities. If turnovers are such a key statistic, then most coaches shouldn't get a raise based on the high number of "games won" by winning the turnover battle. But I would guess those games won by turnovers play a large role in working that next contract for the coaching staff.
 
revkev73 said:
Turnovers decide a high majority of games. Winning, well coached teams learn to play efficient and smart. Average teams fumble away opportunities. If turnovers are such a key statistic, then most coaches shouldn't get a raise based on the high number of "games won" by winning the turnover battle. But I would guess those games won by turnovers play a large role in working that next contract for the coaching staff.
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Dude you are beating a dead horse. The turnover deal has high correlation to loss. But you can argue otherwise. Who is to blame for turnovers? If you want to blame the coach you can, but as a player you are taught over and over again how to hold a football to avoid turning it over or when or where not to throw it. If you feel that is Kirk's fault so be it, but as a player if I fumbled I am not blaming the coach, that is on me.
 
The Big LeHAWKski said:
Every college fan base is basically the same.
If we're honest we'll all admit that we are all annoyingly optimistic and excited each pre-season, annoyingly pessimistic when we get our hearts ripped out after a bad loss (or during a 3-game streak of bad losses) and then during late summer, once again optimistic for a special FB season to remember!
College fans are literally like the four seasons, just rinse and repeat, year after year after year. Then we die.
So what?
Honestly there are far worse things we could do than spend some time on these forums...but it's our choice to do so.
I gave up being on here for quite a while, then I was drawn back into it. It's great to hang out with Hawkeye fans after all!
What it comes down to is regardless of whether we love KF or want him to retire - WE ALL LOVE THE IOWA HAWKEYES! And we want more than anything else for them to just win...that's all.
Yes, these forums allow many of us to vent like crazy, some of us might take it a little too far, but you're exactly right that if we were ever face to face with some coach from the program or sitting with the parent of a player at a game we'd definitely dial it back a bit. That's just human nature.
But in the end, ranting and cussing and getting things off our chest online doesn't hurt anyone. What each of us chooses to type in here is nothing more than thinking out loud via the internet (sometimes with not much thinking involved) and is truly meaningless compared to things that really matter in life.
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Iowa may not have as good a record as LSU, Florida or Michigan, but I'll bet you their fans are more unhappy that we are.

Right now clemson, Notre Dame, Alabama, UGA and for now OU and OSU fans are pretty happy.

In the final analysis, we'll be happiest when we have expectations that are realistic and the season has a happy ending.

Note - my expectations have nothing what so ever to do with what actually happens at Iowa. I am not an owner, I have no influence. I am only an emotional stakeholder.
 
westender said:
Dude you are beating a dead horse. The turnover deal has high correlation to loss. But you can argue otherwise. Who is to blame for turnovers? If you want to blame the coach you can, but as a player you are taught over and over again how to hold a football to avoid turning it over or when or where not to throw it. If you feel that is Kirk's fault so be it, but as a player if I fumbled I am not blaming the coach, that is on me.
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Dude, I am not "blaming" anyone. I am just saying, well coached teams turn the ball over less, and find ways to win. If the coach is "great" because "he" has a 12 win season, based on a very good turnover margin, then isn't he also "not so great" when turnovers cost a team 4 losses and end up 8-4 and find various sorts of way to lose?
 
westender said:
Dude you are beating a dead horse. The turnover deal has high correlation to loss. But you can argue otherwise. Who is to blame for turnovers? If you want to blame the coach you can, but as a player you are taught over and over again how to hold a football to avoid turning it over or when or where not to throw it. If you feel that is Kirk's fault so be it, but as a player if I fumbled I am not blaming the coach, that is on me.
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Agreed on the turnovers. But the other side of that is, the other team's turnovers lead to Iowa wins. The players cause those turnovers, not the coaches. So...we can't give the coaches credit for the wins either? Is that our logic here? And if so, why do we pay these coaches the money that we do, if they have so little effect on the games?
 
revkev73 said:
Dude, I am not "blaming" anyone. I am just saying, well coached teams turn the ball over less, and find ways to win. If the coach is "great" because "he" has a 12 win season, based on a very good turnover margin, then isn't he also "not so great" when turnovers cost a team 4 losses and end up 8-4 and find various sorts of way to lose?
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Beat me to it.
 
NCHawker said:
Iowa may not have as good a record as LSU, Florida or Michigan, but I'll bet you their fans are more unhappy that we are.

Right now clemson, Notre Dame, Alabama, UGA and for now OU and OSU fans are pretty happy.

In the final analysis, we'll be happiest when we have expectations that are realistic and the season has a happy ending.

Note - my expectations have nothing what so ever to do with what actually happens at Iowa. I am not an owner, I have no influence. I am only an emotional stakeholder.
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I don't think it's that black and white for most fans. I know that I am much happier with an 8-4 record that includes signature wins and a team that's playing better at the end of the season, than they were at the beginning. I'll go back to the 2008 season. I was happy enough that I went to Tampa to watch them play in the Bowl game. This season? No way. This season wasn't a bad season but I'm not happy with it either.
 
Many of you clearly don’t get it and are heavily influenced/brainwashed by the simpleton iowa media. Draft picks are irrelevant, record is irrelevant, winning x number of games over a certain period is irrelevant. What is relevant are b10 titles and bcs bowl wins. Throw in top wins in intersectional games in pre-season if you’d like (top 10-15 type) wins. When measuring kf in these areas, he’s a complete and total fail. Not to mention the boring style of play, recruiting, scheduling and personality. For many of us, the charade has been over for years
 
oldhawk12 said:
Many of you clearly don’t get it and are heavily influenced/brainwashed by the simpleton iowa media. Draft picks are irrelevant, record is irrelevant, winning x number of games over a certain period is irrelevant. What is relevant are b10 titles and bcs bowl wins. Throw in top wins in intersectional games in pre-season if you’d like (top 10-15 type) wins. When measuring kf in these areas, he’s a complete and total fail. Not to mention the boring style of play, recruiting, scheduling and personality. For many of us, the charade has been over for years
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Actually the only thing that matters is $$, and the Iowa $$ train keeps on rolling.
 
deanvogs said:
I'm not the new decider of anything. I am simply one of the few objective posters on here. When Kirk is winning 26 games from '11-'14 I am calling for his head. When Kirk is winning 36 games from '15-'18 I am saying the sky isn't falling like some think.

Back to your point though, who do you think Wisconsin and Penn St. are beating to get their wins? Wisconsin's best win this year is Iowa, they didn't beat another P5 team with a winning record. Of course every teams wins come against teams they are better than for *uck's sake. When you play teams equal to you, that is when you tend to go .500 against them, and when you play teams better than you, those are the games you typically lose. THAT IS HOW IT WORKS FOR EVERYONE!!!!
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Wisconsin is the power in the west and used to try to be like Iowa, now Iowa is in a long, long, can't beat Wisconsin to save our asses run. That is not good, if you want to win something, other than powder puff wins to pad the legacy.
 
IowaGold said:
Short answer is yes. But I'm sure a few people on here will extrapolate reasons why it's not good enough(fair enough to have your opinion). But, just happy, watching right now with a cold beer, the replay of Iowa's defeat of Frosty'sHuskers. And...looking forward to Iowa vs Pitt tomorrow night. Hope for no letdown! Go Hawks!
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Yeah, it is good

Averages out to 9 wins a season.....

There are many fan bases that would be overjoyed with those numbers.....

Of course, there are the fan bases that are delusional, Nebraska, for instance, who think they have done better that the Hawks in the same time frame.....

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oldhawk12 said:
Many of you clearly don’t get it and are heavily influenced/brainwashed by the simpleton iowa media. Draft picks are irrelevant, record is irrelevant, winning x number of games over a certain period is irrelevant. What is relevant are b10 titles and bcs bowl wins. Throw in top wins in intersectional games in pre-season if you’d like (top 10-15 type) wins. When measuring kf in these areas, he’s a complete and total fail. Not to mention the boring style of play, recruiting, scheduling and personality. For many of us, the charade has been over for years
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This.
When KF inked the deal after 2009, expectations went up. My donation and ticket price went up. I was ok with it at the time.

However, only one year since then have we matched a higher level. I also don’t expect to play for a B1G title every year, but based on the dollars being pumped into the football program - we should be there every 2 to 3.

Guess I should just be happy paying for The Wave, Laura Vandeberg, and pumping up the burrito.
 
revkev73 said:
Dude, I am not "blaming" anyone. I am just saying, well coached teams turn the ball over less, and find ways to win. If the coach is "great" because "he" has a 12 win season, based on a very good turnover margin, then isn't he also "not so great" when turnovers cost a team 4 losses and end up 8-4 and find various sorts of way to lose?
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Dude, you're not allowed to ask real questions with logic behind them on here.
 
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