Anyone know anything about the 2 youngest kids?
2019 Tyreke Locure
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Anyone know anything about the 2 youngest kids?
Robowe
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tksirius
HN's Love Doctor
In a win over Ottumwa last night, Locure scored 34 points, 8 assists, 6 steals, and 3 rebounds.
Here are the current stats for some notable Iowa players:
Tyreke Locure
31.2 pts / 6.84 assists / 5.15 steals / 5.5 rebounds / .07 blocks / Assist to TO ratio: 2.11
Patrick McCaffery
27.3 pts / 2.45 assists / 1.09 steals / 7.5 rebounds / 0.9 blocks / Assist to TO ratio: 1.42
Tyrese Nickelson
25.3 pts / 2.81 assists / 1 steal / 6.2 rebounds / .45 blocks / Assist to TO ratio: 1.06
DJ Carton
23.7 pts / 5.81 assists / 1.18 steals / 7.5 rebounds / .81 blocks / Assist to TO ratio: 1.93
Here are the current stats for some notable Iowa players:
Tyreke Locure
31.2 pts / 6.84 assists / 5.15 steals / 5.5 rebounds / .07 blocks / Assist to TO ratio: 2.11
Patrick McCaffery
27.3 pts / 2.45 assists / 1.09 steals / 7.5 rebounds / 0.9 blocks / Assist to TO ratio: 1.42
Tyrese Nickelson
25.3 pts / 2.81 assists / 1 steal / 6.2 rebounds / .45 blocks / Assist to TO ratio: 1.06
DJ Carton
23.7 pts / 5.81 assists / 1.18 steals / 7.5 rebounds / .81 blocks / Assist to TO ratio: 1.93
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...shooting percentages, too.
Fine, I swear I have to do everything around here (actually, I am looking for any way to keep from doing actual work right now).
I will be using a common formula for possessions, Possessions = (FGA - OReb) + TO + (0.44*FTA). This is used by KenPom for College Hoops. There are lots of different ways to calculate possessions from boxscore data (a lot trickier than you might think), so feel free to repeat with a different method.
I got my box-score stats from QuikStats (coach-reported, so take with a grain of salt).
DSM North averages 72 possesions/game. Bettendorf averages 56 possessions/game, and ICW averages 55 possessions/game. Obviously, the more possessions, the more opportunity for counting stats (points, reb, asst, stls, etc.).
If you scale counting-stat averages so that we assume all players have 72 possessions/game (the DSM North pace), they would look like this (I have also added in shooting %):
Locure: 31.2 pts/g, 5.5 reb/g, 6.8 asst/g, 3.2 TO/g, 5.2 stls/g, 0.1 blks/g, 3.6 fouls/g, 24.5 FGA/g, 8.5 FTA/g
Shooting %: 44.2/27.9/76.4
Carton: 30.8 pts/g, 9.7 reb/g, 7.6 asst/g, 3.9 TO/g, 1.5 stls/g, 1.1 blks/g, 2.8 fouls/g, 22.1 FGA/g, 8.9 FTA/g
Shooting %: 50.8/29.0/70.7
McCaffery: 35.8 pts/g, 9.8 reb/g, 3.2 asst/g, 2.3 TO/g, 1.4 stls/g, 1.2 blks/g, 1.1 fouls/g, 21.5 FGA/g, 11.0 FTA/g
Shooting %: 60.6/44.8/75.0
Notably, all players' teams are having excellent seasons. It should also be noted that the ability to play at a very high pace in and of itself is a skill, as is maintaining efficiency with a very high usage (all players have pretty similarly high usages, though McCaffrey is by far the most efficient).
I will be using a common formula for possessions, Possessions = (FGA - OReb) + TO + (0.44*FTA). This is used by KenPom for College Hoops. There are lots of different ways to calculate possessions from boxscore data (a lot trickier than you might think), so feel free to repeat with a different method.
I got my box-score stats from QuikStats (coach-reported, so take with a grain of salt).
DSM North averages 72 possesions/game. Bettendorf averages 56 possessions/game, and ICW averages 55 possessions/game. Obviously, the more possessions, the more opportunity for counting stats (points, reb, asst, stls, etc.).
If you scale counting-stat averages so that we assume all players have 72 possessions/game (the DSM North pace), they would look like this (I have also added in shooting %):
Locure: 31.2 pts/g, 5.5 reb/g, 6.8 asst/g, 3.2 TO/g, 5.2 stls/g, 0.1 blks/g, 3.6 fouls/g, 24.5 FGA/g, 8.5 FTA/g
Shooting %: 44.2/27.9/76.4
Carton: 30.8 pts/g, 9.7 reb/g, 7.6 asst/g, 3.9 TO/g, 1.5 stls/g, 1.1 blks/g, 2.8 fouls/g, 22.1 FGA/g, 8.9 FTA/g
Shooting %: 50.8/29.0/70.7
McCaffery: 35.8 pts/g, 9.8 reb/g, 3.2 asst/g, 2.3 TO/g, 1.4 stls/g, 1.2 blks/g, 1.1 fouls/g, 21.5 FGA/g, 11.0 FTA/g
Shooting %: 60.6/44.8/75.0
Notably, all players' teams are having excellent seasons. It should also be noted that the ability to play at a very high pace in and of itself is a skill, as is maintaining efficiency with a very high usage (all players have pretty similarly high usages, though McCaffrey is by far the most efficient).
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At the same time that his usage has gone up...impressive to see.
tksirius
HN's Love Doctor
So, faster pace results in lower percentages and slower pace results in higher percentages. Explains why PMac's percentages are higher; what it doesn't explain is why a 6'8" forward only averages 7.5 rebounds when his competition is typically 5'10 to 6'4. Part of it is strength; part of it is effort for whatever reason.
I've actually been a lot more impressed with DJ's passing skills. He's made a lot of improvement since last season. I'm not just talking about his assist numbers either. The video I've seen of him is a night/day difference. His handles have improved significantly as well.
Regardless, people are going to keep this thread alive by bashing Tyreke, but he's going to win Mr. Iowa barring injury or some other unfortunate reason.
I've actually been a lot more impressed with DJ's passing skills. He's made a lot of improvement since last season. I'm not just talking about his assist numbers either. The video I've seen of him is a night/day difference. His handles have improved significantly as well.
Regardless, people are going to keep this thread alive by bashing Tyreke, but he's going to win Mr. Iowa barring injury or some other unfortunate reason.
I am just fine with your pro-Locure agenda, it is interesting to see how players within the state are doing, especially ones that are putting up such eye-popping numbers.
I don't really understand your anti-McCaffrey agenda. Why are you trying to diminish the current accomplishments of the top 2019 recruit (a very highly-rated recruit nationally) for the team you purport to cheer for? Seems odd.
I don't think there is any evidence that increased pace decreases shooting %. In fact, the highest % shots typically come in transition, especially off a steal or miss (that is at least true for shots at the rim, quick jump shots in transition are converted at a lower % and should be avoided; see data here, from college game with shot-clock).
edit: That data is old, by the way, and I wouldn't be surprised if early 3% has gone up as so many more players are trained for hunt that shot.
Efficiency might go down with an increase in usage:
http://ascreamingcomesacrossthecourt.blogspot.com/2013/05/usage-versus-efficiency.html
https://www.thebirdwrites.com/2013/...iciency-Tyreke-Evans-Jrue-Holiday-Eric-Gordon
All 3 players have very high usage rates (I haven't specifically calculated, but it is pretty obvious from looking at the box-score stats). There are pretty obvious and glaring differences in efficiency. That is okay, you don't have to stop loving Locure just because McCaffrey has been hyper-efficient this season. Just love them both, after all, one will be on YOUR team next year.
As for McCaffrey's reb/g, not sure why that number is pedestrian (I think Wieskamp was around 13 reb/g last year). Maybe it is how they use him. As an example, Kevin Garnett's reb/g went from 12.8 his last year in Minny to 9.2 his first year in Boston. Did he forget how to rebound? Was he on the decline (1st year in Bos he was Defensive player of the year and had the 2nd highest Def Win Shares of his career)? No, he was used differently. Frankly, he cared a lot less about counting stats, and he was entirely locked in to doing what he could to help the team (be that challenge a shot, make the right rotation, what have you). Maybe it is effort, you would of course have to watch the games to have a good sense (I have not seen him live).
How many times can that little guard score on Patrick?
Sounds like the team (ICW) did not defend very well in that game, including McCaffrey. McCaffrey had 35 pts on 11/18 shooting. That little guard (6' 1" Tyrese Nickelson, who averages 27,5 ppg) also had 35 pts on 15-24 shooting, and according to the recap below, was "unstoppable" at times. ICW won the game by 13.
https://www.thegazette.com/subject/...ruit-iowa-city-west-vs-waterloo-east-20190115
I'll ask again, why are you so determined to try to portray McCaffrey in a negative light?
tweeterhawk
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Never mind Locure. What’s the Stross thread about?
Say something negative about Locure and you will get a response in minutes. Ask a question like that and you'll never hear back.
deanvogs
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You don’t understand this? I mean both you and TK have been posting on this site forever, I’m not sure how you don’t understand that TK doesn’t like Hawkeye coaches, and players. He only likes and supports former Hawks or almost Hawks or slighted in state players in his mind like Willis, and Eno and Locure. He will be a HUGE fan of Nixon as well if he transfers out, but not really care about him if he remains a Hawk.
TK’s MO is pretty clear on this site, it hasn’t changed since he started posting here.
It would have almost been worth it if Patrick would have decided to go elsewhere and Iowa would have brought in Locure. "Fran cant even bring in his own son who would have been a program changer. Instead he gets another fallback recruit at point guard who no one else wants".
tksirius
HN's Love Doctor
Ironically, Fran McCaffery is the only coach that offered Patrick McCaffery.
