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[sportstalent]

]Have you seen what kind of players the NBA drafts? [/B]

Its all about size and athleticism, skills are an afterthought. Rebounding? Defense? Irrelevant.

White has a very incomplete game but show me another player at that size who can handle the ball and pass like that and has good hops.

I can only think of one and he plays for the heat.

Not saying White is anywhere close to that but you are underestimating how unique his talent is and what the NBA is about.

Go look up the last 10 NBA drafts. If White comes out he is getting drafted and probably in the lottery.

I couldn't have said it any better. The NBA is lost and the "one and done" rule has actually made the game better. GM's can actually see these players compete against real competition for a year, it eliminates some of the guess work for them.
There are people that don't like the rule, but I have no issues with it really, it does seperate some of the misfits, but in the end teams still draft players based on those two items: size and athleticism.

 

[hawkfan33]

Have you seen what kind of players the NBA drafts?

Its all about size and athleticism, skills are an afterthought. Rebounding? Defense? Irrelevant.

White has a very incomplete game but show me another player at that size who can handle the ball and pass like that and has good hops.

I can only think of one and he plays for the heat.

Not saying White is anywhere close to that but you are underestimating how unique his talent is and what the NBA is about.

Go look up the last 10 NBA drafts. If White comes out he is getting drafted and probably in the lottery.

At 6'7"? There's a ton of two and three guards who can handle and pass much better than White in the NBA. And White is also not quick enough to guard those guys. That's his problem he's an undersized four. It's great that he has good handles for a four, but he's not going to be a ball handler in the NBA. You look up the last 10 NBA drafts and tell me how many 6'7 - 6'8 PFs were drafted in the lottery.

You really don't have a clue what you are talking about.

 

[hawkfan33]

I couldn't have said it any better. The NBA is lost and the "one and done" rule has actually made the game better. GM's can actually see these players compete against real competition for a year, it eliminates some of the guess work for them.
There are people that don't like the rule, but I have no issues with it really, it does seperate some of the misfits, but in the end teams still draft players based on those two items: size and athleticism.

And White is lacking majorly in one of those categories.

 

[Foval21]

hoiberg is the 2nd coming of orr in ames. orr did similar things and was really just the face of the program and recruiter. his assistants were the true coaches. hoiberg will hit a ceiling like orr did. how many other schools will put up statues of a guy that had a below .500 record. hoiberg is doing ok but at somepoint talent meets other talent and it is who plays harder on the defensive end. he hasnt gotten either of his teams to do that yet. say what you want about iowa talent. those kids tend to play hard defensively. too bad they just arent good enough.

 

[RocknRollface]

At 6'7"? There's a ton of two and three guards who can handle and pass much better than White in the NBA. And White is also not quick enough to guard those guys. That's his problem he's an undersized four. It's great that he has good handles for a four, but he's not going to be a ball handler in the NBA. You look up the last 10 NBA drafts and tell me how many 6'7 - 6'8 PFs were drafted in the lottery.

You really don't have a clue what you are talking about.

We both know I was not referring to height. Im sorry but you don't have a clue.

Yes hes a four, a four who is 270 pounds who could isolate other fours and kill them off the dribble.

The nba is about entertainment not good basketball.

Like I said go browse through recent nba drafts.

 

[hawkfan33]

We both know I was not referring to height. Im sorry but you don't have a clue.

Yes hes a four, a four who is 270 pounds who could isolate other fours and kill them off the dribble.

The nba is about entertainment not good basketball.

Like I said go browse through recent nba drafts.

The NBA is all about height not weight.

Like I said go browse through recent NBA drafts and find me a 6'7 or 6'8 PF that was anywhere close to a lottery pick.

You are really just embarrassing yourself with your argument.

It's pretty obvious you don't watch much NBA basketball, and are comparing White to a level of competition similar to what Iowa has put on the floor in recent years. White isn't going to be blowing by fours in the NBA. There are plenty of long athletic PF's who would have no problem staying in front of him.

 

[acgclone]

The NBA is all about height not weight.

Like I said go browse through recent NBA drafts and find me a 6'7 or 6'8 PF that was anywhere close to a lottery pick.

You are really just embarrassing yourself with your argument.

It's pretty obvious you don't watch much NBA basketball, and are comparing White to a level of competition similar to what Iowa has put on the floor in recent years. White isn't going to be blowing by fours in the NBA. There are plenty of long athletic PF's who would have no problem staying in front of him.

I think there's a place in the NBA eventually for Royce, but he's going to have to improve some important facets of his game. That is why I see him staying for at least another year.

He has a long way to go defensively. His body and athleticism could make him a very good defender, if he can bring the effort and basketball IQ.

He also needs to become a better rebounder if he wants to go pro.

Because of the fact that he's sort of a tweener, he'll have to do those two things better. Considering this is only the 10th game he's played, I think he'll continue to get better and play himself into a 1st round pick, but hopefully that is next year.

 

[hawkfan33]

I think there's a place in the NBA eventually for Royce, but he's going to have to improve some important facets of his game. That is why I see him staying for at least another year.

He has a long way to go defensively. His body and athleticism could make him a very good defender, if he can bring the effort and basketball IQ.

He also needs to become a better rebounder if he wants to go pro.

Because of the fact that he's sort of a tweener, he'll have to do those two things better. Considering this is only the 10th game he's played, I think he'll continue to get better and play himself into a 1st round pick, but hopefully that is next year.

Who is he going to defend in the NBA? His body is one of his biggest problems, he is going to be giving up three or four inches to most PF's he guards. He has no shot at guarding SF's. He's also going to be what 23 next year? 23 year old tweeners do not get drafted in the first round.

 

[RocknRollface]

The NBA is all about height not weight.

Like I said go browse through recent NBA drafts and find me a 6'7 or 6'8 PF that was anywhere close to a lottery pick.

You are really just embarrassing yourself with your argument.

It's pretty obvious you don't watch much NBA basketball, and are comparing White to a level of competition similar to what Iowa has put on the floor in recent years. White isn't going to be blowing by fours in the NBA. There are plenty of long athletic PF's who would have no problem staying in front of him.

The funny thing is that you are completely wrong.

To say size/bulk has no bearing is absurd.

What separates Lebron James from all the other 6'8 wings who can handle the ball and jump? Its the abnormal size of his frame.

What seperates Dwight Howard from the other 6'11 guys that can jump? Again size.

What made Shaquile Oneil unstoppable when every team had a seven footer, size.

Please drop that aspect of your argument because its so incredibly stupid.

Being able to handle the ball at 270 is exceptionally rare.

Now for the main part of the argument. The draft

You are comparing White to NBA players. You don't get to draft NBA players you get to draft college and foreign players.

My original point has little to do with how well he could do in the NBA and everything to do with the talent that is actually available to be drafted in a given year.

Again, go look at recent nba drafts. After the first 5 or so its a very unimpressive list of players every year.

The nba drafts on potential. RW would be drafted in the first round right now.

 

[Cyclones17]

White is not going to the NBA anytime soon. That makes ISU dangerous in the NCAA next year. White, Clyburn, and Lucious are all very talented. Top 3 talents in the program right now. Then they will have a nice core of role players around them.

Need to learn how to defend

 

[RocknRollface]

Who is he going to defend in the NBA? His body is one of his biggest problems, he is going to be giving up three or four inches to most PF's he guards. He has no shot at guarding SF's. He's also going to be what 23 next year? 23 year old tweeners do not get drafted in the first round.

You must be the one who doesn't watch much NBA. 2/3 of the 4s in that league have no offensive game outside of dunks.

Could he gaurd Amarie Stoudamire, or Pau Gasol hell no, could he guard Anderson Verajo? Im guessing yes.

Again go look at who is actually on nba rosters outside of the top ten or so 4s that you seem to think is the norm.

 

[hawkfan33]

The funny thing is that you are completely wrong.

To say size/bulk has no bearing is absurd.

What separates Lebron James from all the other 6'8 wings who can handle the ball and jump? Its the abnormal size of his frame.

What seperates Dwight Howard from the other 6'11 guys that can jump? Again size.

What made Shaquile Oneil unstoppable when every team had a seven footer, size.

Please drop that aspect of your argument because its so incredibly stupid.

Being able to handle the ball at 270 is exceptionally rare.

Now for the main part of the argument. The draft

You are comparing White to NBA players. You don't get to draft NBA players you get to draft college and foreign players.

My original point has little to do with how well he could do in the NBA and everything to do with the talent that is actually available to be drafted in a given year.

Again, go look at recent nba drafts. After the first 5 or so its a very unimpressive list of players every year.

The nba drafts on potential. RW would be drafted in the first round right now.

Find me one mock draft that list White in the first round? He's not even listed as getting drafted at all at this point.

What do LeBron, Dwight and Shaq all have that White doesn't? The required height for their position. Not one of those guys is undersized. White is, he's too short for a four and way too big to play three.

You still have never shown me one undersized PF that was even close to being a lottery pick in the last decade.

Fine let's compare White to college players. Which one of these PF's will he get drafted before? Andre Drummond, Anthony Davis, Jerad Sullinger, Perry Jones, Thomas Robinson.

The NBA doesn't draft old, tweener type guys in the first round.

I'm done wasting my time on you. You obviously don't have a clue about the NBA.

 

[RocknRollface]

Find me one mock draft that list White in the first round? He's not even listed as getting drafted at all at this point.

What do LeBron, Dwight and Shaq all have that White doesn't? The required height for their position. Not one of those guys is undersized. White is, he's too short for a four and way too big to play three.

You still have never shown me one undersized PF that was even close to being a lottery pick in the last decade.

Fine let's compare White to college players. Which one of these PF's will he get drafted before? Andre Drummond, Anthony Davis, Jerad Sullinger, Perry Jones, Thomas Robinson.

The NBA doesn't draft old, tweener type guys in the first round.

I'm done wasting my time on you. You obviously don't have a clue about the NBA.

LOL, of course the dude is not on mock drafts at this point. Wow

2011 NBA draft

Derrick Williams is 6'8 241 power forward #2 overall pick.

Tristan Thompson 6'8 225 power forward #4 overall pick

Do they have the "required height"?

Nice of you to avoid the point about size as well. Would Dwight Howard and Lebron be nearly as effective if they were both 40lbs lighter?

Your not done wasting your time, your done losing an argument.

 

[Cydkar]

definitive statements? so my question about his recruiting philosophy is a definitive statement?

this was what i said
"royce ain't gonna be there next year, so unless old freddy can keep the transfers coming, eventually he's going to have to build a team."

sorry, i'm not going to start following ISU recruiting. don't have the time. i guess that's why we have folks like you around here...

question for you, why are you here?

Why not? I was an Iowa fan before you, I bet.

 

[Cydkar]

Have you seen what kind of players the NBA drafts?

Its all about size and athleticism, skills are an afterthought. Rebounding? Defense? Irrelevant.

White has a very incomplete game but show me another player at that size who can handle the ball and pass like that and has good hops.

I can only think of one and he plays for the heat.

Not saying White is anywhere close to that but you are underestimating how unique his talent is and what the NBA is about.

Go look up the last 10 NBA drafts. If White comes out he is getting drafted and probably in the lottery.

I'll give you 10:1 on the lottery.

 

[Cydkar]

We both know I was not referring to height. Im sorry but you don't have a clue.

Yes hes a four, a four who is 270 pounds who could isolate other fours and kill them off the dribble.

The nba is about entertainment not good basketball.

Like I said go browse through recent nba drafts.

How much have you seen Royce play? He's miles from an NBA player but I will admit that it's early.

 

[big10fan]

NBA. no way he comes back for next year.

all i know from my ISU friends is that he really doesn't like Ames and isn't in college to get a degree.

never said he was dumb, said he wasn't going to college to get a degree. if he has any chance at getting drafted, he's gone.

This. If he leaves for the NBA it will be a mistake.

definitive statements? so my question about his recruiting philosophy is a definitive statement?

this was what i said
"royce ain't gonna be there next year, so unless old freddy can keep the transfers coming, eventually he's going to have to build a team."

sorry, i'm not going to start following ISU recruiting. don't have the time. i guess that's why we have folks like you around here...

question for you, why are you here?

bump. now don't you look stupid. must suck for you to know that a hawk fan had insight that a clone didn't. go back in this thread and look at our discussion.

 

[hawkforlife9]

Original point remains... Hoiberg is a hell of a coach for his 2nd year at any level. Given what he as done with transfers, recruiting will be one of his strongest suits. ISU is very lucky to have him. If he could learn how to hurl a chair or two he'd be unstoppable.

 

[ISUFB]

bump. now don't you look stupid. must suck for you to know that a hawk fan had insight that a clone didn't. go back in this thread and look at our discussion.

Don't you look stupid as well... he said he loved ames, we gave him histo life back. and will get enough credits to not hurt the APR

 

[big10fan]

Don't you look stupid as well... he said he loved ames, we gave him histo life back. and will get enough credits to not hurt the APR

yeah...i'm sure he'll make his summer home there...