But a big part of being a head coach is getting talent and Fred has done a good job of that so far.
How does a coach who has never coached...
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But a big part of being a head coach is getting talent and Fred has done a good job of that so far.
TwinCitiesHawk
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So what are you suggesting, pushing out those "lousy" players simply because they aren't good enough? yeah, that sets a good precedence and will lure in good recruits.
"Hey, come play for Iowa! But if our fans think you're lousy, I'll have no choice but to push you out the door."
RocknRollface
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I would certainly not go that far.
I would say Basabe, Marble and Cartwright are the only players on this squad who would currently receive any playing time at most other high majors and honestly most mid majors.
Now I think White and Ogelsby are high major talent, but I don't think they would be seeing any playing time as true freshman most other places.
ISU is a much more talented team at this point, their walkon PG is better than two of the guards Iowa started.
I actually thought Fred "coached" if you want to call it that, a pretty poor game. His team totally ignored Royce White in the second half.
Agree totally. It drives me nuts that Royce disappears. Everything should run through him.
sodakhawkeye
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He is rebuilding this program the exact same way that Ferentz did with the football team. No quick fixes, no cutting corners. Start at the bottom and lay a solid foundation. Take some lumps early an keep working to get better every day. Work with the players you have and recruit better ones.
ripvdub
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What about last year in IC when JVB was the 2nd best player on the team? Not much talent diff then. The 4 high school kids coming in next year well really slow down the transfers, I hope at least. But with rate kids are leaving programs nowadays, you never know. Fred still has a long ways to go, the team plays lil defense and almost never plays a whole 40 mins a game.
hawkeye12345
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And I will go on the record stating that if Eric May is in the starting lineup, we won't be an NCAA tournament level team. No way, no how, no chance does that kid start on any other major college program in the country let alone play significant minutes.
Gesell
Marble
Oglesby
Basabe
White
Woodbury
McCabe
Pick 5 from the above list and that will be your starting 5 next year.
Ingram and Meyer can contribute too.
May is going to get minutes early in the season as he will have experience but if we reach big10 conference play and May is still starting then either the kid figured out how to dribble overnight or the rest of the 2s and 3s aren't as good as projected. Either way, we would be in trouble.
sportstalent
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This is an amazing question...not in a good way either.
Iowa has one of the least talented rosters...the only good parts Iowa has are Cartwright, Marble, Basabe and Gatens. Yes, Gatens, he is easy to defend because Iowa has no threat of a post game. When Iowa sets screens for him the defense can over play him and since he is the only true threat from the outside who has proven himself for more than a few games he is the focus of other defenses. Iowa has to get more than one shooter on the floor at a time with the limited post play. Marble has to play 35 minutes a game to drive to the basket and kick out to someone...Gatens, Oglesby, McCabe or White...two of those have to be on the floor all the time. Cartwright can't hit an open jump shot either, healthy or not he hasn't improved in that area where he needed to. Marble is the only returning player that has made any significant strides this year. McCabe is better, but he fouls because he hasn't figured out how to move his feet on defense yet, he does everything wrong on defense that Brommer doesn't.
The 2012 that Fran has will over recruit most of the current player, especially May and McCabe...they need to enjoy the PT they are getting now. The 2012 class gives Iowa a full roster at all positions, something they haven't seen since, well I can't remember. Iowa will be over .500 nest year and pushing to the NIT.
Iowa has one of the least talented rosters...the only good parts Iowa has are Cartwright, Marble, Basabe and Gatens. Yes, Gatens, he is easy to defend because Iowa has no threat of a post game. When Iowa sets screens for him the defense can over play him and since he is the only true threat from the outside who has proven himself for more than a few games he is the focus of other defenses. Iowa has to get more than one shooter on the floor at a time with the limited post play. Marble has to play 35 minutes a game to drive to the basket and kick out to someone...Gatens, Oglesby, McCabe or White...two of those have to be on the floor all the time. Cartwright can't hit an open jump shot either, healthy or not he hasn't improved in that area where he needed to. Marble is the only returning player that has made any significant strides this year. McCabe is better, but he fouls because he hasn't figured out how to move his feet on defense yet, he does everything wrong on defense that Brommer doesn't.
The 2012 that Fran has will over recruit most of the current player, especially May and McCabe...they need to enjoy the PT they are getting now. The 2012 class gives Iowa a full roster at all positions, something they haven't seen since, well I can't remember. Iowa will be over .500 nest year and pushing to the NIT.
twinhawkfans
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Agrred, but you don't discard the existing kids to do it, which Fran has not. Don't pay enough attention to ISU to know if Fred ran anybody off, I guess. Fred's doin a good job, especially since he's never coached in any capacity, and if he proves he can recruit, which I'm afraid he will, and he gets a good x's and o's assistant, they"ll be tough in the future. You can get all the talent in the world, but if you can't teach the x's and o's, it will do no good. And maybe Fred can, we shall see, but I have little doubt that he will be a successful recruit, he's the Mayor for god's sake.
sportstalent
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That is so much better than what Fran has done on the recruiting front...really??? Brilliant!
RocknRollface
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Other defenses are not "focusing" on him anymore than anyone else. If anything they foucuse on Basabe as he is the one who draws double teams consistently.
This is D1, teams don't need to concentrate on a one dimensional player whose one dimension, coming off screens and shooting jumpers, is not that good. Most decent teams have guys on the bench who can shut that down with no problem.
sportstalent
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So ISU has beaten Iowa in Freds first two seasons, but what has ISU done otherwise??? Both programs are poor right now...next year will begin to tell where each program heads in the long term.
I think ISU will be better next year as well. You have a good class coming in, but they will be freshmen. ISU will have freshmen, but also two starters ready to go in Lucious and Clyburn.
I wonder how patient fans can be with Fran. I think he's good but fans get restless... they already are.
hawkforlife9
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In a heart beat... if they are not DIV 1 players, let them be walk-ons if they want to practice. But this is big time athletics, you only have so many spots available and if your players suck, you need to make room for players who can win and fill seats.
I sense your sarcasm because you can not be serious!
Well lets start with Royce White who is WAY better than any player on Iowa's roster. I don't know if Iowa has anyone who at their best is as good of a player as White and White still has holes in his game.
No need to go any further to figure out why ISU beat Iowa.
1977Hawkeye
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Because, as others have pointed out, Iowa doesn't have much talent. There's really no fix for this, no matter the coach, until Fran gets some talent on campus. Next year's class should be a good start in that direction. Unfortunately I think there's no choice for us but to suffer for no less than another year or two until that talent gets to campus AND gets some Big Ten experience under their belts.
For now, I'll just have to take it on faith that next year's recruiting class is what it's hyped to be.
For now, I'll just have to take it on faith that next year's recruiting class is what it's hyped to be.
hawkeye12345
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Don't think for a second that Fran wouldn't have pulled a scholly from one of the bottom feeders on the team HAD a JUCO that was ready to play stepped into the picture. He had already recruited over May by signing Hubbard. He would have recruited over Brommer had he had a legit shot at a C that was ready to play too. We tried to get another PG but missed out on the Cezar Guerrero.
Fran is not afraid to come over the top of any of the players now or into the future. The problem is that right now our talent is so poor that most people think that a mortuary has better stiffs than what we have on the floor (at some positions). It might be true but those stiffs didn't have any eligibility or Fran probably would have brought them in.
Bottom line: Not enough talent to do what Fran wants on O or D. The talent is coming next year but they will be a very young team albeit a very talented team. Our PG play will increase significantly and our C play will increase exponentially. We will have wings that can actually do something other than jump through the roof or get rejected by the underside of the rim. Our PFs will have another year to develop physically as well.
This year sucks, last year sucks, the last decade has sucked but the future is looking pretty damn good.
Fran is not afraid to come over the top of any of the players now or into the future. The problem is that right now our talent is so poor that most people think that a mortuary has better stiffs than what we have on the floor (at some positions). It might be true but those stiffs didn't have any eligibility or Fran probably would have brought them in.
Bottom line: Not enough talent to do what Fran wants on O or D. The talent is coming next year but they will be a very young team albeit a very talented team. Our PG play will increase significantly and our C play will increase exponentially. We will have wings that can actually do something other than jump through the roof or get rejected by the underside of the rim. Our PFs will have another year to develop physically as well.
This year sucks, last year sucks, the last decade has sucked but the future is looking pretty damn good.
