Beth Mowins?







1hawkeye1 said:
"It's 3rd down and it looks like they're gonna go for it!"
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1haekeye, that was good. I live in Colorado, and my wife and I like to go watch the games in local establishments. Well, as soon as the manager/owner hears that voice, they change channels. Anyway, go Hawks, and put a hurt on the Bisons.
 




I'm gonna be that guy...I think she is as good as most run-of-the-mill play-by-play people out there and people just denigrate her because she is a female in male-dominated profession. To rise to her level of success she has to be doing something right. And I know the standard response: "It has nothing to do with her being a woman, she just sucks, that's all." You might want to consider if you are really as unbiased as you think; there is a lot of evidence that if a man and a woman say the exact same thing, the man will be perceived as being more competent/smarter and the woman less so (this holds when both men and women are doing the evaluating, by the way).

As a father of a young daughter, it would be tough to have her grow up, excel in her field to a level few achieve, and then for her to be told she sucks due to ingrained biases.

I will dismount my high horse now, and maybe give him some oats and a good rub down.
 


I really don't care. It is Iowa/NDSU, not Iowa/michigan. I am not expecting ESPN to send their A team. People make waay too big of deal with this. If it bothers you that much just hit the mute button and listen to the radio broadcast.
 


CP87 said:
I'm gonna be that guy...I think she is as good as most run-of-the-mill play-by-play people out there and people just denigrate her because she is a female in male-dominated profession. To rise to her level of success she has to be doing something right. And I know the standard response: "It has nothing to do with her being a woman, she just sucks, that's all." You might want to consider if you are really as unbiased as you think; there is a lot of evidence that if a man and a woman say the exact same thing, the man will be perceived as being more competent/smarter and the woman less so (this holds when both men and women are doing the evaluating, by the way).

As a father of a young daughter, it would be tough to have her grow up, excel in her field to a level few achieve, and then for her to be told she sucks due to ingrained biases.

I will dismount my high horse now, and maybe give him some oats and a good rub down.
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BS, throwing out the sexist label every time someone disagrees with a woman has to stop. She is terrible, her voice is annoying....not because she is a woman, it just is. I believe that the only reason she keeps her job....is because she is a woman.
 


Hawk90 said:
BS, throwing out the sexist label every time someone disagrees with a woman has to stop. She is terrible, her voice is annoying....not because she is a woman, it just is. I believe that the only reason she keeps her job....is because she is a woman.
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So her voice needs more bass? Is it a little too nasal for you? Who do you suggest do the play by play for Iowa/NDSU?
 
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CP87 said:
I'm gonna be that guy...I think she is as good as most run-of-the-mill play-by-play people out there and people just denigrate her because she is a female in male-dominated profession. To rise to her level of success she has to be doing something right. And I know the standard response: "It has nothing to do with her being a woman, she just sucks, that's all." You might want to consider if you are really as unbiased as you think; there is a lot of evidence that if a man and a woman say the exact same thing, the man will be perceived as being more competent/smarter and the woman less so (this holds when both men and women are doing the evaluating, by the way).

As a father of a young daughter, it would be tough to have her grow up, excel in her field to a level few achieve, and then for her to be told she sucks due to ingrained biases.

I will dismount my high horse now, and maybe give him some oats and a good rub down.
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If Dolph was a woman, he/she would have been run off the air by now cause he makes a few mistakes here and there.

Love me some Dolph though.
 




CP87 said:
I'm gonna be that guy...I think she is as good as most run-of-the-mill play-by-play people out there and people just denigrate her because she is a female in male-dominated profession. To rise to her level of success she has to be doing something right. And I know the standard response: "It has nothing to do with her being a woman, she just sucks, that's all." You might want to consider if you are really as unbiased as you think........
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So basically, you're right..and anybody who responds otherwise is automatically wrong. They're just not enlightened enough to realize it.

Yeah, you're "that guy" alright..you fit today's PC model to a T. There is only one approved viewpoint...and it's mine. Period. All who disagree are the problem.
 


CP87 said:
I'm gonna be that guy...I think she is as good as most run-of-the-mill play-by-play people out there and people just denigrate her because she is a female in male-dominated profession. To rise to her level of success she has to be doing something right. And I know the standard response: "It has nothing to do with her being a woman, she just sucks, that's all." You might want to consider if you are really as unbiased as you think; there is a lot of evidence that if a man and a woman say the exact same thing, the man will be perceived as being more competent/smarter and the woman less so (this holds when both men and women are doing the evaluating, by the way)..
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Holy crap, basically you are calling every person that doesn't like Beth Mullins announcing a sexist pig. I can tolerate her but I'm not a big fan, some of it IS the way she sounds which IS female. But OTOH I also watch a lot of baseball and I love it when Jessica Mendoza is in the booth, not only does she bring a lot of insight on hitting to the table but she also sounds really good on the air. So is it ok if I'm not fond of 1 females voice but prefer others or do I get thrown in with the other sexist pigs?
 


Several people presented their opinion that she sucked. I presented my opinion that she was as good as the next. I didn't call anyone sexist, but rather I pointed out some factual information:
  • she has risen to a position in her field that few attain (fact); presumably that is due to talent (opinion), though you could argue that she is somehow favored because of her gender; I think that would be a tough argument to make convincingly
  • research has shown pretty clearly that messages are received differently depending on whether they are presented by a man or a woman (fact); there is actually research that also shows that men and women with lower-pitch voices are considered better leaders and more competent than their counterparts with higher-pitch voices, even when saying exactly the same thing
I asked people to consider these facts, nothing more. I am not sure why being asked to consider something would so offend some.
 


CP87 said:
Several people presented their opinion that she sucked. I presented my opinion that she was as good as the next. I didn't call anyone sexist, but rather I pointed out some factual information:
  • she has risen to a position in her field that few attain (fact); presumably that is due to talent (opinion), though you could argue that she is somehow favored because of her gender; I think that would be a tough argument to make convincingly
  • research has shown pretty clearly that messages are received differently depending on whether they are presented by a man or a woman (fact); there is actually research that also shows that men and women with lower-pitch voices are considered better leaders and more competent than their counterparts with higher-pitch voices, even when saying exactly the same thing
I asked people to consider these facts, nothing more. I am not sure why being asked to consider something would so offend some.
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It is 2016, there is no middle ground, people become entrenched in their position and there is no room for discussion. It becomes a defense mechanism "I'm right and you are wrong."
 




I'm no fan of Beth Mowins, but at least they don't pair her with Joey Galloway anymore. Those two together were absolutely miserable. ESPN split those two up to water down the suck. I actually think some of ESPN's lower crews aren't terrible. Adam Amin and the Ian Mcemammy (SP?) guy are both good, but get relegated to ESPNu and other far flung places.
 


Well I guess I will wade into this discussion even though I will probably regret it. Thank you to Jonrn for actually getting Beth Mowins name right. No matter whether you like her work, I believe she deserves respect for the groundbreaking work she has done at ESPN for over 20 years, first announcing women's sports, expanding to NCAA football and last year to the NFL. Everyone is entitled to his opinion of the quality of that work but as someone else mentioned, her employer must think she is doing quality work or she would not be employed.

If her voice annoys you, we are lucky to have great radio announcers in Dolph and Eddie. Ok, I'm done.
 


Jonrn said:
I'm no fan of Beth Mowins, but at least they don't pair her with Joey Galloway anymore. Those two together were absolutely miserable. ESPN split those two up to water down the suck. I actually think some of ESPN's lower crews aren't terrible. Adam Amin and the Ian Mcemammy (SP?) guy are both good, but get relegated to ESPNu and other far flung places.
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Uh oh, now you're sexist AND a racist!
 


CP87 said:
I'm gonna be that guy...I think she is as good as most run-of-the-mill play-by-play people out there and people just denigrate her because she is a female in male-dominated profession. To rise to her level of success she has to be doing something right. And I know the standard response: "It has nothing to do with her being a woman, she just sucks, that's all." You might want to consider if you are really as unbiased as you think; there is a lot of evidence that if a man and a woman say the exact same thing, the man will be perceived as being more competent/smarter and the woman less so (this holds when both men and women are doing the evaluating, by the way).

As a father of a young daughter, it would be tough to have her grow up, excel in her field to a level few achieve, and then for her to be told she sucks due to ingrained biases.

I will dismount my high horse now, and maybe give him some oats and a good rub down.
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I just think her voice is ULTRA annoying.
 


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