Beth Mowins?

CP87 said:
No, I really didn't. I simply asked people to consider a few things. That is very different than invalidating anyone's opinions. If you don't want to consider the facts I presented, that is fine. But please don't claim that I am trying to shut down opinions or discourse, when I was actually trying to do the opposite.
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Ok, man. Fair enough.

I don't have the time to go through all the links you posted. Suffice to say, of course bias still exists (as it does everywhere on the globe) and we should strive to eliminate it. I too have a daughter, who I've raised to be confident, self-sufficient and to take control of her world...not see herself as a potential victim in every situation, which many are now being taught.

As for Mowins, I don't care if she's a transgender alien from Saturn...I find her voice and her delivery irritating as hell. (as apparently do a lot of fans) There are plenty of male broadcasters I don't care for too.

Give me Michele Tafoya any day. She's a pro's pro.
 
CP87 said:
No, I really didn't. I simply asked people to consider a few things. That is very different than invalidating anyone's opinions. If you don't want to consider the facts I presented, that is fine. But please don't claim that I am trying to shut down opinions or discourse, when I was actually trying to do the opposite.
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Actually you did:

And I know the standard response: "It has nothing to do with her being a woman, she just sucks, that's all." You might want to consider if you are really as unbiased as you think
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Just own it.
 
hawkdrummer1 said:
Ok, man. Fair enough.

I don't have the time to go through all the links you posted. Suffice to say, of course bias still exists (as it does everywhere on the globe) and we should strive to eliminate it. I too have a daughter, who I've raised to be confident, self-sufficient and to take control of her world...not see herself as a potential victim in every situation, which many are now being taught.

As for Mowins, I don't care if she's a transgender alien from Saturn...I find her voice and her delivery irritating as hell. (as apparently do a lot of fans) There are plenty of male broadcasters I don't care for too.

Give me Michele Tafoya any day. She's a pro's pro.
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Sounds like we are on the same page.

I wonder if Mowins would be considered differently if she was in a sideline role or analyst role, as opposed to play-by-play? She really stands alone right now as a woman doing play-by-play for football, where as there are many in the role of sideline reporter.
 
ssckelley said:
Actually you did:



Just own it.
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I ask people leveling criticism to consider if they are as unbiased as they think, in the face of evidence that many of us to harbor subconscious biases. If you cannot see the difference between that on one hand, and outright calling someone biased or sexist on the other hand, I don't know what to tell you.
 
CP87 said:
I ask people leveling criticism to consider if they are as unbiased as they think, in the face of evidence that many of us to harbor subconscious biases. If you cannot see the difference between that on one hand, and outright calling someone biased or sexist on the other hand, I don't know what to tell you.
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Actually that's a 2 way street, if you can't read what you wrote and understand why some have taken it the way I have (among others) then I don't know what to tell you either.
 
People make way too big of an issue with who the broadcasters are. This is f'ing Iowa vs an FCS team....theyre not sending fowler/herbstreit.

If you need a play-by-play person on tv to tell you want is happening while youre watching it happen, spoiler alert: you are a moron.
 
Beth Mowins is a competent but boring play-caller. Not much personality, but she seems to know her stuff.

She's light years ahead of Pam Ward, though. Pam was a complete train wreck in the booth.
 
ssckelley said:
Actually that's a 2 way street, if you can't read what you wrote and understand why some have taken it the way I have (among others) then I don't know what to tell you either.
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I can follow the trail that is leading some to offense. I said something to the effect of:

I think much of the criticism of Mowins is based on sexism.
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I then said something to the effect of:

if you are criticizing her and think you are being objective, consider the evidence that shows subconscious biases within the population
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Some are taking these 2 statements and concluding: "This asshat is calling me a sexist if I don't like Beth Mowins!"

While I understand why some have taken it that way, I do not agree that the above conclusion is implied.

Enough with this dead horse.
 
shonblatt said:
Beth Mowins is a competent but boring play-caller. Not much personality, but she seems to know her stuff.

She's light years ahead of Pam Ward, though. Pam was a complete train wreck in the booth.
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Totally. Ward is even worse.

Giving women sports broadcasting jobs when they're good is the right thing to do. Giving them the job out of some affirmative action notion...is not. Who says there have to be an equal number of <insert category here> in every job? Equality of opportunity should be the goal, not equality of outcome. That's non-organic and unsustainable (with sacrificing quality/excellence). :)
 
Just going to do what I do every weekend, mute it and listen to Ed and Dolph. Best Hawkeye play by play no matter who's got the TV call. Touchdown Iowa!!! Never gets old...
 
My honest opinion is I want play by play and analysis from those that have played the game. It has nothing to do with her being a female, but I want that player/coach background and knowledge from those that have experienced it first hand.

I'd relate it to getting driving lessons or advice from a 6 year old. Sure they've spent a lot of time around the car and may have gathered a lot of good advice/information, but I want someone who's actually experienced done it.

Edit: I have no problem with females as sideline reporters.
 
kicker22 said:
My honest opinion is I want play by play and analysis from those that have played the game. It has nothing to do with her being a female, but I want that player/coach background and knowledge from those that have experienced it first hand.

I'd relate it to getting driving lessons or advice from a 6 year old. Sure they've spent a lot of time around the car and may have gathered a lot of good advice/information, but I want someone who's actually experienced done it.

Edit: I have no problem with females as sideline reporters.
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That's why Jessica Mendoza is very good.
 
CP87 said:
I'm gonna be that guy...I think she is as good as most run-of-the-mill play-by-play people out there and people just denigrate her because she is a female in male-dominated profession. To rise to her level of success she has to be doing something right. And I know the standard response: "It has nothing to do with her being a woman, she just sucks, that's all." You might want to consider if you are really as unbiased as you think; there is a lot of evidence that if a man and a woman say the exact same thing, the man will be perceived as being more competent/smarter and the woman less so (this holds when both men and women are doing the evaluating, by the way).

As a father of a young daughter, it would be tough to have her grow up, excel in her field to a level few achieve, and then for her to be told she sucks due to ingrained biases.

I will dismount my high horse now, and maybe give him some oats and a good rub down.
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As the father of three daughters I say this. I don't like her play call announcing because she's a woman.
 
I like her, I really do. She is very objective and she usually gets the details right. I don't have a problem with her at all.
 
Not a huge fan of Beth. At the same time there are male announcers who are far more annoying. Joey Galloway anyone? There are female announcers who are far worse - Erin Andrews has THE MOST annoying voice.

...and... she doesn't try "too hard" with stupid sayings etc etc.

Look, its an early in the day game and Iowa is not top 5, we're gonna get the B squad.
 
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