Yes, officiating was awful, but..

tm3308 said:
Of course officiating is a factor. Everything that happens in a game factors into the outcome, including whether or not a player has to take a dump in the fourth quarter.

But it's generally a good idea to place blame on things you can control before anything else. The Packers/Seahawks situation was different, as it was CLEARLY a blown call on what would have been a victory-sealing interception on the final play. That's much different than picking out a variety of calls over the course of a game and pinning a loss on those plays.

The officiating had a role, but it wasn't the main factor in the outcome of the game. 18 turnovers, missed free throws in crunch time, and Marble's absence were much more important than the officiating.
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This post has gotten a fair amount of like. I have to ask. Was it because you think I actually made a good point, or was it the line about a guy needing to take a dump in the 4th quarter? :D
 


Not taking advantage of the bad officiating played a factor too. There were times when we reached in effectively and they didn't call it but we didn't do it enough. One of the things that I think we can learn from experience is how to take what the refs are giving.

The refs were rewarding playing defense with your hands (something that should never happen on a basketball court ever) and as a team that struggles with playing good defense (positioning, etc) this game would have been a hell of a time for us to take advantage.
 


HawkeyeMHA said:
Officiating very very rarely if ever decides a game. As a washed up athlete I used to react to refs, looking back it is a compete waste of a players energy and focus on the game. It was called, move on. If I was playing or coaching today I would tell my players to completely ignore refs and calls (except to pay attention to how a game is being called).
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Haven't ever watched Duke play, eh?
 










oregonhawkeye said:
Did you see the Packers Seahawks game this year?
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Yes I did. I went back to the NFL site:

GB penalty in the second quarter, unnecessary roughness on DJ Smith leads to a 15 yard penalty. Instead of 4th and short, it's a first down. Next play: Seattld 41 yard touchdown.

Seattle penalty in the third quarter, illegal use of hands on Brandon Browner leads to a 1st and 10 instead of 4th and 2. Three plays later, GB scores a FG.

Seattle penalty in the fourth quarter, pass interference on Kam Chancellor leads to an automatic first down instead of 4th and 2. That keeps the drive alive and GB scores a TD.

So it's all on the referees for a last play call? We can analyze these things all day here. In the end, the refs don't decide games. Players do. They either make plays or they don't. The calls were not noticeably in favor of one team or another.
 


oregonhawkeye said:
Did you see the Packers Seahawks game this year? Hawks UNI last year? So the "if ever" part of your argument needs to go. It absolutely happens.

Obviously- a coach should tell kids to move on, not worry about the refs, control what you can control. But fans should be able to talk about the reasons their team won or lost and SOME of the time the refs are a factor, one of the variables for which different values end in different game outcomes.

That was true against MSU. Iowa could have done better on other variables but the big X that was Jim Burr et al hurt Iowa's outcome.
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It was replacement refs, so that really doesn't count.
 


Why are officials often older gentlemen who seem to have a tough time getting up and down the floor along with the ability to see and quickly process what they (shoulda) saw and make correct calls? Age discrimination should probably be allowed in officiating just my 2 cents. There are plenty of able bodied young men (and women) who could do a better job then what the BIG (and most NCAA games) puts out there. I'm sick of seeing seniority matter more then who's actually better suited for the job.
 




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