Would you rather lose like Iowa did or like UNI did

[NEIChawk]

Linus, yes, it was brutal.....I was yelling, and so was my wife, at 9:30 at night, on a freakin Sunday for cryin' out loud....We feel bad how it ended, and Ben feels the same for his kids, and the kids themselves are not going to get this game out of their heads for a long, long time.....

 

[1977Hawkeye]

Linus, yes, it was brutal.....I was yelling, and so was my wife, at 9:30 at night, on a freakin Sunday for cryin' out loud....We feel bad how it ended, and Ben feels the same for his kids, and the kids themselves are not going to get this game out of their heads for a long, long time.....

That's almost worse than our 1987 UNLV game. Yeah, that one got away, and as bad as that one hurt, it wasn't a double digit lead blown in 30 seconds, either.

Man.

I feel bad enough for our team right now, but am glad this morning that I am not a Panthers fan. Don't think I'd have gotten out of bed all day.

 

[hawkeyebob62]

Technically, Drake isn't a virgin. They did lose on a last second shot in the tournament in '05. In other words, they went all the way on Prom night.

Yeah, only to find out the thing had a hole at the very tip...

 

[NEIChawk]

That's almost worse than our 1987 UNLV game. Yeah, that one got away, and as bad as that one hurt, it wasn't a double digit lead blown in 30 seconds, either.

Man.

I feel bad enough for our team right now, but am glad this morning that I am not a Panthers fan. Don't think I'd have gotten out of bed all day.

I though I felt bad when I was a senior in high school getting knocked out in the 1st round of districts by a team we smoked twice before....I didn't get out of bed the next day.....Hopefully UNI rallies and learns from this....

 

[Stanzi]

I would much, much rather get blown out. When we play like **** I get mad for like an hour or two then I'm over it. Losing like UNI did would make me sick to my stomach for a long time.

 

[WindsorHawk]

Maybe Ben should've watched our out of bounds play against Temple. Did UNI just forget how to play the game. How many times did Ben signal back and forth, like you can run the baseline. Complete choke, players were frozen. Would not want to lose the way they did.

Haven't you been paying attention to all of the threads on this subject? Fran needs to do everything the way Ben does it. Ben couldn't possibly learn anything from Fran. Sarcasm Alert!

 

[Jonrn]

Definitely rather be blown out. The Michigan state game in the big ten championship football game was crushing, I was miserable for two weeks. I was only minimally upset after the rose bowl.

Close loses are horrifying.

 

[50613sivert]

That UNI game was a nightmare. It just kept getting worse and worse. And if was a UNI fan at that game I would be throwing up in my seat.

UNI fan here (which is why I lurk more than post - fans who post on other sites can be annoying) - and I often cheer for Iowa, if not playing UNI, especially in Football.

Let me say, that loss last night was BRUTAL. We all slept terribly. 1,000 "what ifs" every time I rolled over all night. Ok - not a thousand - but a dozen.

I did did watch some of your game with Villanova yesterday. That wasn't pretty, either. To answer the opening question, I do think I prefer our losS. I am left with a terrible sense of what this team could have done. I actually reserved and cancelled plane tickets to Aneheim. But I also have a sense that Coach Jacobsen's system works. We had a pretty good team beaten. Yes, we stopped fighting, panicked, and lost in the snap of your fingers, but that was with with Matt Bohannon out and then Wes and Paul out. Jakes system works, and he makes it work with 2-, 3-, and no-star recruits.

So I wonder how you guys feel about that aspect. Do you feel like Frans system is viable with better recruits? With your incoming recruits?

 

[HawkeyeWalker]

Sad we are talking about how we'd rather lose. I'd rather be like Wisconsin and win.

Well, yeah. We'd all rather win.

 

[HawkeyeWalker]

Would def rather be vaporized by a nuke than have my skin peeled off an inch at a time until I was dead.

Lol. Agreed.

 

[ssckelley]

UNI fan here (which is why I lurk more than post - fans who post on other sites can be annoying) - and I often cheer for Iowa, if not playing UNI, especially in Football.

Let me say, that loss last night was BRUTAL. We all slept terribly. 1,000 "what ifs" every time I rolled over all night. Ok - not a thousand - but a dozen.

See and I slept like a baby. I'll take the way we lost before the way you lost, at least on that stage with a Sweet 16 bid on the line. Obviously something is wrong if we are losing game in and game out by 20 points (see the Lick years).

So I wonder how you guys feel about that aspect. Do you feel like Frans system is viable with better recruits? With your incoming recruits?

Frans system does work but he isn't great at making in season adjustments or in game adjustments for that matter. I like the incoming recruits he has coming in next season and in future years. I'm hoping Fran has learned from his mistakes and will continue to get better as a coach. He has proved that he can get teams to the NCAA tournament now he has to show he can get them further.

One thing that stood out to me as a positive for UNI was how Jacobson handled himself both during and after the melt down, he remained poised throughout the entire time. It was obvious how it affected the team when they came out and almost won in that first over time, the 2nd OT they simply ran out of horse and Morgan tried to carry the team on his own.

I still wish Fran would have recruited Jeremy Morgan, I think he and Lohaus will carry UNI next year.

 

[HawkeyeWalker]

UNI fan here (which is why I lurk more than post - fans who post on other sites can be annoying) - and I often cheer for Iowa, if not playing UNI, especially in Football.

Let me say, that loss last night was BRUTAL. We all slept terribly. 1,000 "what ifs" every time I rolled over all night. Ok - not a thousand - but a dozen.

I did did watch some of your game with Villanova yesterday. That wasn't pretty, either. To answer the opening question, I do think I prefer our losS. I am left with a terrible sense of what this team could have done. I actually reserved and cancelled plane tickets to Aneheim. But I also have a sense that Coach Jacobsen's system works. We had a pretty good team beaten. Yes, we stopped fighting, panicked, and lost in the snap of your fingers, but that was with with Matt Bohannon out and then Wes and Paul out. Jakes system works, and he makes it work with 2-, 3-, and no-star recruits.

So I wonder how you guys feel about that aspect. Do you feel like Frans system is viable with better recruits? With your incoming recruits?

Ben is a good coach, both systems are viable already. But yes, if Fran can get 3-4 legit scoring threats on the floor in his system it would be better.

Would much rather lose how Iowa lost. They played below average, but even their best doesn't beat the Villanova team that played/shot that well. A&M played very poorly, imo, and still won whereas the Villanova squad that took the floor on Sunday would easily beat A&M, UNI. THAT Villanova squad could win the whole thing...which means they'll probably miss a bunch of open shots vs. MIAMI and lose.

I pull for UNI when not playing Iowa and think Ben is a great coach. The talent disparity isn't that much different overall. You didn't have a Uthoff or Jok, but you had more scoring threat at the 1, 2, 5 than Iowa.

 

[HawkGold]

These comments about getting blown out being favorable is amazing. The Hawks showed signs of being a very ill team. Something terribly wrong. The ended the year losing to Illinois, OSU, and PSU. All teams decidedly not good. They didn't look like they belonged on the court Sunday.

UNI turned things around with a limited roster. They simply ran out of players. They over achieved. They (including the coach) lost with grace. In both NCAA games they were decidedly not as athletic and yet won. They were gutsy. They will be back again sometime (not likely next year or year after).

Yes, the quick guard should have just thrown the ball down the court when trapped. That is not as bad as wondering if players quit and didn't develop, or learn basic defensive posture.

You just don't see teams in the tourney lose that bad unless they are hopelessly over matched like a 1 v 16. The Hawks were dominated in about every way imaginable. At least in football, we could blame it on superman disguised as a running back.

Sunday was very concerning for Iowa.

 

[ssckelley]

These comments about getting blown out being favorable is amazing. The Hawks showed signs of being a very ill team. Something terribly wrong. The ended the year losing to Illinois, OSU, and PSU. All teams decidedly not good. They didn't look like they belonged on the court Sunday.

They were ill but let's not ignore the fact that Villanova also played incredible. Iowa belonged on the court Sunday was proven when they defeated Temple in the first round. They lost to a better team and we don't have the suffering of blowing a 12 point lead with under a minute to play and I think THAT is what's being questioned. Blowouts are never fun but it was the last game of the year and 80% of that starting lineup graduated. The 2016/17 season is a fresh start and the 2nd round tournament loss will be long behind us.

Sunday was very concerning for Iowa.

No, not really, the season is over.

 

[PCHawk]

One loss is never concerning because anything can happen in one game. Iowa probably beats villanova 3 out of 10 times. Just like Davidson probably beats iowa 3 out of 10 times last year. It's easy after watching a blowout to say Davidson sucks or villanova is awesome. But anyone who has ever watched basketball and has any common sense knows you can't take a whole lot from one game.

 

[HawkGold]

One loss is never concerning because anything can happen in one game. Iowa probably beats villanova 3 out of 10 times. Just like Davidson probably beats iowa 3 out of 10 times last year. It's easy after watching a blowout to say Davidson sucks or villanova is awesome. But anyone who has ever watched basketball and has any common sense knows you can't take a whole lot from one game.

You are right, one can't take a whole lot from one game. It was a number of games at the end of the season. It wasn't like a bad shooting night. It was at times complete domination. That was what was concerning. For 3/4 of that game Iowa completely couldn't match up at all,offensively or defensively. Not sure what was seen would make one who watches basketball think Iowa would win 3 of 10.

When teams put up high percentages in shooting against a team, there is a correlation.

Back to the comparison, UNI v Iowa losses, UNI gave it their best shot. They ran out of players and out of gas. Not sure why any time with a bench and athleticism wouldn't press UNI a lot.

Next year has some promise. Not sure about depth. Both UNI and Iowa have ?'s in that area.

If Villanova wins the NC or gets to the final 4, there might be more comfort.

UNI didn't lose to a great team. An athletic team, but not a great team.

 

[PCHawk]

You are right, one can't take a whole lot from one game. It was a number of games at the end of the season. It wasn't like a bad shooting night. It was at times complete domination. That was what was concerning. For 3/4 of that game Iowa completely couldn't match up at all,offensively or defensively. Not sure what was seen would make one who watches basketball think Iowa would win 3 of 10.

When teams put up high percentages in shooting against a team, there is a correlation.

Back to the comparison, UNI v Iowa losses, UNI gave it their best shot. They ran out of players and out of gas. Not sure why any time with a bench and athleticism wouldn't press UNI a lot.

Next year has some promise. Not sure about depth. Both UNI and Iowa have ?'s in that area.

If Villanova wins the NC or gets to the final 4, there might be more comfort.

UNI didn't lose to a great team. An athletic team, but not a great team.

You started by saying you agree, then you say not sure what was seen to say we win 3 of 10. Absolutely nothing was shown during that one game (remember not much can be taken from one game) but judging by both team's seasons, they win 3 of 10. Just like nothing was shown during one game with Davidson that would make one think they could win 3 of 10. Actually judging by what was said before that game, maybe Davidson would win 7 of 10. It doesn't matter because we won the one game that was played.

 

[PCHawk]

You are right, one can't take a whole lot from one game. It was a number of games at the end of the season. It wasn't like a bad shooting night. It was at times complete domination. That was what was concerning. For 3/4 of that game Iowa completely couldn't match up at all,offensively or defensively. Not sure what was seen would make one who watches basketball think Iowa would win 3 of 10.

When teams put up high percentages in shooting against a team, there is a correlation.

Back to the comparison, UNI v Iowa losses, UNI gave it their best shot. They ran out of players and out of gas. Not sure why any time with a bench and athleticism wouldn't press UNI a lot.

Next year has some promise. Not sure about depth. Both UNI and Iowa have ?'s in that area.

If Villanova wins the NC or gets to the final 4, there might be more comfort.

UNI didn't lose to a great team. An athletic team, but not a great team.

Also if villanova wins the NC, I won't find more comfort. All that will mean is yet another good Iowa team ran into the National Champion in the 2nd round of the tournament. That would be more iowa luck. Not only fall one seed lower than you should have, but run into the best team in the nation who should have been the number 1 overall seed if not for a couple late season losses. It's like a bad movie we've seen over and over.

 

[50613sivert]

I woke up this morning thinking again about what might have been... Throw it down the court and...ugh!

I get the argument you're making about Villanova being a better team. But TAM has done pretty well this season.

It's like running a qualifying 400 meter race and being ahead of the competition, and then 20 feet before the finish line, you trip and end up losing and not qualifying.
Or maybe like a lion trainer who at the very end of a great show, drops his whip and gets eaten.

 

[HawkPrdatr40]

I woke up this morning thinking again about what might have been... Throw it down the court and...ugh!

I get the argument you're making about Villanova being a better team. But TAM has done pretty well this season.

It's like running a qualifying 400 meter race and being ahead of the competition, and then 20 feet before the finish line, you trip and end up losing and not qualifying.
Or maybe like a lion trainer who at the very end of a great show, drops his whip and gets eaten.

Woke up still thinking about it UNI fan, well, well are you sure you still prefer losing this way? Because I've slept fine Since Sunday Night.

All I heard yesterday on Sports Talk Radio was how in the hell did UNI lose that game! I heard host say Historic Collapse, Worst lost in NCAA History etc.. and on and on, in fact it last all day long! It had to be brutal for UNI fans that travel and listen to that type of thing.