Wisconsin isn’t more talented than us

[ajones1996]

Wisconsin is a much better program right now from the top down and if you think otherwise you are a huge homer. Wisconsin is reload program right now...not a rebuild. Iowa is a rebuild program.

 

[MoseSchrute]

Wisconsin is deeper than Iowa...period. Think about all the injuries they have had on defense this year. I think they have lost three linebackers at some point this year...their leading receiver...and a DB too. This is the difference IMO between the two programs. We lose players and there is a noticeable drop off and other teams attack the weakness (think OL this year). Wisconsin's depth is light years ahead of Iowa.

Let's face it, they recruit skill players better too, especially at WR. There wasn't much separation in those one on one match-ups when Miami played man, but Wisky's receivers made the play when the ball got there. How many times did you see our group do that this year? Not enough is the answer.

If there is hope...I think we have recruited much better over the last few years and the depth is certainly getting better pretty much everywhere. There were some key recruits, Nixon and Shannon at DT, for example, that should bode well for the DL over the next few years. I have to say I feel better about every position group after the last two recruiting classes.

Next year, next year......

The mantra of Iowa football.

 

[HawkPrdatr40]

Wisconsin is a much better program right now from the top down and if you think otherwise you are a huge homer. Wisconsin is reload program right now...not a rebuild. Iowa is a rebuild program.

Iowa has been a rebuild type of program the last 40+ years.. Look at the ebb and flows and not sure that will change. Be nice if we could hold on to the consistency for a longer period of time..

 

[tksirius]

Since you stalk all, might as well have one to call your own

It is funny though how hard you try on this site though, you did the same at the Scout Board..

You already owned up to being a stalker, no need to provide more proof. ^^

 

[HawkPrdatr40]

You already owned up to being a stalker, no need to provide more proof. ^^

Try harder

 

[JoeyLabasForPresident]

2017 Wisconsin >>>> 2015 Iowa

Is that really even a debate at this point?

 

[hawkeyes87]

Just to be clear, Wisconsin is ahead of Iowa as a program but a win over a decent Miami team is not what it used to mean. All 4 of the CFP teams are substantially better than Wisconsin.

Just as a comparison, can anybody tell me the last Iowa win away from Kinnick that was as impressive as Wisconsin over #10 Miami, in the Orange Bowl (Miami's home stadium)?

 

[JoeyLabasForPresident]

Just to be clear, Wisconsin is ahead of Iowa as a program but a win over a decent Miami team is not what it used to mean. All 4 of the CFP teams are substantially better than Wisconsin.

We really have no way of knowing this.

 

[revkev73]

Kirk said this year after Iowa gained 60 yards total vs Wisconsin that the Wisconsin program was not better than the Iowa program...this is a dumb thread.

 

[AreWeThereYet]

Iowa has been a rebuild type of program the last 40+ years.. Look at the ebb and flows and not sure that will change. Be nice if we could hold on to the consistency for a longer period of time..

Only Ohio State and Wisconsin have enough developed depth to consistently win through personnel changes and injuries.

Michigan State has often make it through the personnel changes and injuries but boy did they come up short last year. It snowballed on them.

Penn State only recently rebuilt from NCAA sanctions so it might be too early to tell what kind of consistency they have.

Iowa, Northwestern, and Nebraska have to stay healthy and have their share of transitional problems when they rotate in inexperienced players. Iowa and Northwestern just don't recruit well enough to maintain consistency. Nebraska recruits well enough but doesn't have the as high quality of player development as either Iowa or Northwestern.

 

[JoeyLabasForPresident]

Iowa and Northwestern just don't recruit well enough to maintain consistency.

You can’t make this argument when we are playing in the same division as Wisconsin.

 

[ArvadaHawk]

But can you imagine the KF outrage on these forums if Iowa lost 3 straight rose bowls like Wisconsin did? Yet everyone here wishes Iowa was equal to Wisconsin. It's a great conundrum

Well, I'd settle for 10, 11 and 13 wins the past three seasons instead of 12, 8 and 8. See, they have 6 more wins than us over the last 3 seasons; that's 2 more wins per season. Interesting that if we'd won the games we should have this season (jNW, MSU and PU) and lost the games we should have (OSU) we'd have 2 more wins this season. Oh, and that would be 10 wins. Interesting thought.

 

[AreWeThereYet]

You can’t make this argument when we are playing in the same division as Wisconsin.

It is remarkable that Wisconsin can find not only enough players that excel in their system, but make it through all the injuries without a lot of drop off. Wisconsin does have a population base that is about twice that of Iowa. They regularly turn three star recruits into NFL quality player like Iowa, just more of them.

And yes, King Berry's system is more flexible and the game time coaching is better, especially on offense.

 

[AreWeThereYet]

Well, I'd settle for 10, 11 and 13 wins the past three seasons instead of 12, 8 and 8. See, they have 6 more wins than us over the last 3 seasons; that's 2 more wins per season. Interesting that if we'd won the games we should have this season (jNW, MSU and PU) and lost the games we should have (OSU) we'd have 2 more wins this season. Oh, and that would be 10 wins. Interesting thought.

I hate to break it to you, but Northwestern and Michigan State have been as good as Iowa over the span of the last three years. Both of them have had two very good years and one clunker. Iowa had one very good year and two middling years.

 

[ArvadaHawk]

I hate to break it to you, but Northwestern and Michigan State have been as good as Iowa over the span of the last three years. Both of them have had two very good years and one clunker. Iowa had one very good year and two middling years.

no, you're point is taken. but this thread is about WUs. Regarding jNW and MSU; those two programs are passing a flat-footed Iowa program. But if you believe it was no fluke for Iowa to score 45 against Ill, 55 against OSU and 56 against kNU; then I can say we should have found a way to beat those 3 teams.

 

[BlackNGold1982]

Just as a comparison, can anybody tell me the last Iowa win away from Kinnick that was as impressive as Wisconsin over #10 Miami, in the Orange Bowl (Miami's home stadium)?

I’d have to think Adrian Clayborn vs. Penn State at the Beav.

 

[ArvadaHawk]

Next year, next year......

The mantra of Iowa football.

Go Cubs, go! Go Cubs, go! Hey Chicago what do you say? Go Cubs, go!

 

[ArvadaHawk]

I’d have to think Adrian Clayborn vs. Penn State at the Beav.

yep, 2009 was such a good season. 11 wins with a bunch of SO/JR starters. Heck, you'd think 2010 would have been better. But, ummmm....nevermind.

 

[mopkins]

Well, I'd settle for 10, 11 and 13 wins the past three seasons instead of 12, 8 and 8. See, they have 6 more wins than us over the last 3 seasons; that's 2 more wins per season. Interesting that if we'd won the games we should have this season (jNW, MSU and PU) and lost the games we should have (OSU) we'd have 2 more wins this season. Oh, and that would be 10 wins. Interesting thought.

My post was more directed at the 20% of posters who will never be happy no matter what Iowa does.

 

[ArvadaHawk]

My post was more directed at the 20% of posters who will never be happy no matter what Iowa does.

i guess my point is that if only Iowa would do what it is supposed to do (i.e. maximize each opportunity) we'd have more wins and WUs seems to do that each season. WUs doesn't lose to MAC teams or to their equivalent to ISU. WUs doesn't lose to jNW 50% of the time. But even in a down year, WUs seems to find a way to win the B1G West and make it to the championship game. Iowa doesn't do any of that.