Will Fran go after top PG transfer?

[HawkeyeRyno]

If you want to start being a better program, you have to start getting in better guards than Bryce Cartwright. Not saying he is bad, as he had a good 2nd half the season. But he is not a guy that is going to win you some Big 10 games. He was an average guard on a bad team. I think Iowa can get better PG talent in. I'm sure of it

Someone like Diante Garrett right?! But since God isn't our coach because he coaches at Iowa State and made Garret a first round NBA pick, then Iowa has no chance. God (aka Fred Hoiberg) can make a great point guard out of Andrew Brommer if he was at Iowa State.

 

[SirJamaLot]

If you look at Providence, NC State, and Tenn. they all have great kids coming in next yr, I'm sure they will wait and see who gets hired, then get re-recruited, similar to Larson and Brust last spring, Man would it be great for the Hawkeyes to catch a break for once.

I love the fact that the Mayor is loading up with talent, and I cant wait for next dec.'s matchup: Go Hawkeyes

 

[olivecourt]

I didn't say that Bryce was bad. Said he is average. And he is.

Iowa can and needs to find better PG's than Bryce Cartwright.

Carwright ranks #17 in the nation in assists/game. The all-time record for assists in a season at Iowa is 193; Cartwright had 182. (This is all for a team that shot 44% from the field, by the way, good for #148 in the country). All of this is in 31 minutes/game. When his playing time went up during the Big Ten season, his assist rate rose to 6.8/game, which led the league by over half an assist.

Not sure what your definition of average is. I'd like Cartwright to shoot the ball a little better, but he just recorded one of the best seasons ever for an Iowa point guard and I'm expecting he'll be even better next year.

 

[ISUhawk]

I disagree with this totally. How does one lead the Big10 in assists on a bad team if they aren't good? It would be much, much easier to dish out assists on Michigan, Michigan St., Purdue, Ohio St., Illinois, Penn St.....those teams all have players that finish better than Iowa. It is saying something when you lead the league in assists on a bad team.

He didn't lead the Big10 in assists...

 

[HawkeyeRyno]

Carwright ranks #17 in the nation in assists/game. The all-time record for assists in a season at Iowa is 193; Cartwright had 182. (This is all for a team that shot 44% from the field, by the way, good for #148 in the country). All of this is in 31 minutes/game. When his playing time went up during the Big Ten season, his assist rate rose to 6.8/game, which led the league by over half an assist.

Not sure what your definition of average is. I'd like Cartwright to shoot the ball a little better, but he just recorded one of the best seasons ever for an Iowa point guard and I'm expecting he'll be even better next year.

NO YOU DIDN'T!!! You just gave facts to back up an argument with a Cyclone fan. I doesn't matter because they don't get it. They have God as their coach and NOTHING, NOTHING can beat that!! Garrett was 2nd team All Big 12 and they claim he should have been All-American because God made him NBA caliber!

 

[PPierce]

Interesting topic. On one hand, we could certainly use a transfer to help with an immediate talent infusion. On the other, as folks have pointed out, a lot of these kids are head cases, ME guys, bad operators or all three. ISU is a perfect fit, given the "class is optional" aspect of the big 12 conference, but most would not like McCaffrey telling them "no deals, you earn your minutes" "you have to be student as well as an athlete".

There are good kids out there that get caught in coaching changes, politics, etc., so I wouldn't be opposed to a kid coming in. I just hope we can seal the deal with our two remaining roster spots and not be freaking out before classes start like we were last year with Cartwright.

Huh?

You're right, Fran is a hardliner and a saint, he's just recruiting convicted felons to give them the second chance they deserve, not out of desperation. I hear there is a 6'10" PF prospect locked up in San Jacinto, maybe Fran can get on the blower and get Ashton and Demi to make a quick stop during visiting hours to say hello.

 

[JHHawk]

The trend is your friend,my misguided cyclone fan....Bryce Cartwright came in as a juco backup to returning starter Cully Payne. Payne started the first few games,then got hurt,throwing Bryce into the fire. He started slowly,as did this young team,and then picked up steam against the better competition in the Big Ten. In the second half he had a stretch of 7-8 games where he led the nation in assists,playing with a crew that was dead last in the league in 3 point shooting(many good looks that came as a result of Cartwright passes) and shot miserably overall.
So, in the second half of the season, Bryce was about the best assist guy in the nation,and he is average? Wrong. If Jordan Taylor goes pro,Bryce will be in the top three pgs in the league with Craft and Morris....in other words,not average.

 

[Hawkstrat]

He didn't lead the Big10 in assists...

He was third overall, but was first in B1G games only with 6.8/game.

 

[PatrickAdamovicz]

He didn't lead the Big10 in assists...

I believe Cartwright led the Big10 on assists during league play.

 

[Cydkar]

You let 17 get under your skin. Shame on you.

 

[Cyclones17]

Carwright ranks #17 in the nation in assists/game. The all-time record for assists in a season at Iowa is 193; Cartwright had 182. (This is all for a team that shot 44% from the field, by the way, good for #148 in the country). All of this is in 31 minutes/game. When his playing time went up during the Big Ten season, his assist rate rose to 6.8/game, which led the league by over half an assist.

Not sure what your definition of average is. I'd like Cartwright to shoot the ball a little better, but he just recorded one of the best seasons ever for an Iowa point guard and I'm expecting he'll be even better next year.

You ever play basketball? Coach it? How many guys on Iowa's team can penetrate? 1. Bryce Cartwright. He should have high assist #'s. Teams like OSU, MSU, etc have guys that could average more assists a game but they have 3 to 5 guys capable of getting to the paint and getting assists. Iowa doesn't have that luxury right now. They have Cartwright and that is it.

Bryce Cartwright shoots 27% from 3 point range, 39% from FG, 69% FT, and turns it over 3.5 times on an 11 win team. He may be your best player, but it doesn't change the fact that he is very average.

It's not a knock on Iowa. I'd say the same thing about guys like JVB, Jake Anderson, etc. Iowa needs to and can get better guards than Cartwright.

 

[Cyclones17]

You let 17 get under your skin. Shame on you.

Cyclonefanatic and here. You bring nothing but these types of posts. You have nothing to offer. Shame on you.

What these guys don't get is that I am saying Iowa can bring in better players. It's not a rip on anyone. It's the truth. Bryce is ok, but Iowa can get better players. There is a reason Bryce Cartwright had zero offers that late in the game. He isn't a starting Big 10 PG for a good team. He can start for a team that wins 11 games but not for a team that wins 20. It's the truth.

 

[hawkeye2188]

Cyclonefanatic and here. You bring nothing but these types of posts. You have nothing to offer. Shame on you.

What these guys don't get is that I am saying Iowa can bring in better players. It's not a rip on anyone. It's the truth. Bryce is ok, but Iowa can get better players. There is a reason Bryce Cartwright had zero offers that late in the game. He isn't a starting Big 10 PG for a good team. He can start for a team that wins 11 games but not for a team that wins 20. It's the truth.

I agree with you, off the top of my head I think he may start at Minny or Indiana other than that I dont think so.

 

[HawkeyeMike23]

You ever play basketball? Coach it? How many guys on Iowa's team can penetrate? 1. Bryce Cartwright. He should have high assist #'s. Teams like OSU, MSU, etc have guys that could average more assists a game but they have 3 to 5 guys capable of getting to the paint and getting assists. Iowa doesn't have that luxury right now. They have Cartwright and that is it.

Bryce Cartwright shoots 27% from 3 point range, 39% from FG, 69% FT, and turns it over 3.5 times on an 11 win team. He may be your best player, but it doesn't change the fact that he is very average.

It's not a knock on Iowa. I'd say the same thing about guys like JVB, Jake Anderson, etc. Iowa needs to and can get better guards than Cartwright.

Well he is correct on this point. Look at Ohio St for example, Craft had 15 assists against George Mason, but usually their assists are pretty evenly distributed. They love to run a two man game, with Diebler feeding Sullinger on the left block. Almost all of Diebler's assists come directly from that. Iowa doesn't really have that option. They have to rely on Cartwright trying to penetrate and get the defense to collapse.

Same thing for Garrett at ISU, when you dominate the ball like that you should have relatively high numbers.

 

[Hawkstrat]

Offers don't mean a thing after the ball is tipped.

Melsahn Basabe didn't have quality offers and he was All-Freshman, McCabe did- and he wasn't All anything.

Cartwright struggled at first, but played well during the Big Ten Conference, and led the league is assists, in league games only.

Is he the absolute best Iowa can hope for, no, ideally Iowa will land a guy with his quickness and toughness who can also shoot well, but he is one of the few above average players the Hawks have. He is not the problem, he is one of the few guys that doesn't need to be recruited over. (I know he will be a Senior, so it was a moot point, but oh well.)

 

[hawkIhoops]

Huh?

You're right, Fran is a hardliner and a saint, he's just recruiting convicted felons to give them the second chance they deserve, not out of desperation. I hear there is a 6'10" PF prospect locked up in San Jacinto, maybe Fran can get on the blower and get Ashton and Demi to make a quick stop during visiting hours to say hello.

Wow, the amount of kool aid cyclown fans have to drink to believe this crap must be measured in metric tons. You realize that MOST programs are lucky to get one transfer / castaway in every few years. Pursuing kids kicked off teams is typically NOT a recruiting strategy most legit coaches engage in. Somehow Iowa State, who has been just as brutal as Iowa the past few years, is now a magnet for high profile malcontents and you don't think twice about it? Ignorance is bliss.

Does Hoiberg even know there are high schools out there that produce kids that want to go to college to play ball? Oh , I forgot, he was the talent director for the T-Wolves, who will be the next NBA to bite the dust due to being awful.

 

[JHHawk]

Next year, Cartwright will be no worse than the 4th best pg in the league after Morris,Craft,and Taylor. He is the fastest pg of that group and delivers the ball extremely well in transition. His shooting does need to improve from the arc,but he is solid getting to the rim and in the mid-range game.

 

[Cyclones17]

Offers don't mean a thing after the ball is tipped.

Melsahn Basabe didn't have quality offers and he was All-Freshman, McCabe did- and he wasn't All anything.

Cartwright struggled at first, but played well during the Big Ten Conference, and led the league is assists, in league games only.

Is he the absolute best Iowa can hope for, no, ideally Iowa will land a guy with his quickness and toughness who can also shoot well, but he is one of the few above average players the Hawks have. He is not the problem, he is one of the few guys that doesn't need to be recruited over. (I know he will be a Senior, so it was a moot point, but oh well.)

I agree with everything you said. Cartwright isn't bad. He isn't the problem. But Iowa can find better guards. That's all I am saying.

 

[HawkeyeRyno]

Wow, the amount of kool aid cyclown fans have to drink to believe this crap must be measured in metric tons. You realize that MOST programs are lucky to get one transfer / castaway in every few years. Pursuing kids kicked off teams is typically NOT a recruiting strategy most legit coaches engage in. Somehow Iowa State, who has been just as brutal as Iowa the past few years, is now a magnet for high profile malcontents and you don't think twice about it? Ignorance is bliss.

Does Hoiberg even know there are high schools out there that produce kids that want to go to college to play ball? Oh , I forgot, he was the talent director for the T-Wolves, who will be the next NBA to bite the dust due to being awful.

No you didn't just speak the truth!!! This is DEAD ON! Well said.

 

[olivecourt]

You ever play basketball? Coach it? How many guys on Iowa's team can penetrate? 1. Bryce Cartwright. He should have high assist #'s. Teams like OSU, MSU, etc have guys that could average more assists a game but they have 3 to 5 guys capable of getting to the paint and getting assists. Iowa doesn't have that luxury right now. They have Cartwright and that is it.

Bryce Cartwright shoots 27% from 3 point range, 39% from FG, 69% FT, and turns it over 3.5 times on an 11 win team. He may be your best player, but it doesn't change the fact that he is very average.

It's not a knock on Iowa. I'd say the same thing about guys like JVB, Jake Anderson, etc. Iowa needs to and can get better guards than Cartwright.

See, I read the lack of penetrators on Iowa's team as evidence of how well Cartwright played, not as an explanation for his high assist numbers. Not only did Cartwright have to play a ton of minutes in the second half of the season, but the entire offense had to run through him for Iowa to do anything at all. He wasn't great from the line, but at least he got there (75 FT attempts on the year, which was #4 on the team). I realize the 3.3 TOs doesn't look great, but the guy was our only ball handler for long stretches of play. How many sets boiled down to Bryce being forced to make something out of nothing? Does he have those problems if he plays at Ohio State? I say no way.

I just keep coming back to the 44% team field goal shooting percentage. If Iowa can bump it up even to 47% next year, what kind of numbers does BC put up? You might say he put up inflated numbers on an 11-win team, but without him, how many would we have won? Six? Maybe?

I could care less about who offered who and when. Put a competing scholarship offer in one hand and take a dump in the other and see which fills up first.