okeefe4prez
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Jackson was replaced by Erb, but Erb was replaced by Soup, so possibly the falloff was between Jackson and Soup.
Why keep Erb?
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Jackson was replaced by Erb, but Erb was replaced by Soup, so possibly the falloff was between Jackson and Soup.
okeefe4prez
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Who had fumblitis as an underclassman?
He got him in the fall of that year. Carl Jackson was really responsible for his development.
Wassabbe
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Yeah and Erb had terrible production out of the RB position.....oh wait Coker ran for the 4th most yards in history this year!
Coaches don't recruit their position, they recruit regions. You can't blame him for bad apples at the RB position.
This is a very good point. After 2 years with Soup we can't guarantee he is the reason our receivers have been so good but it is a very good possibility. You also can't guarantee Erb is the reason for our problems at running back but it is a very good possibility. Put these two together and its plenty reason to find someone new. Maybe doing so will solve our problems with people leaving or maybe we find someone like Soup who can greatly increase production
okeefe4prez
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I will repeat it, perhaps Ferentz likes, knows and trusts him. Erb's role is a pretty important one with the team, and while I am sure you would fire him for the 2 Minnesota onside kicks if you were running a NCAA dynasty on your playstation, you don't see anything that Ferentz does. At this point in his career, Ferentz is totally set for life and will get a buyout so long as he doesn't get fired for cause. The best way for a college coach to get fired for cause is for there to be recruiting violations or improper benefits. If I were Ferentz, I wouldn't trust some hotshot off the streets with my job.
Again, he recruits Illinois for Iowa. It also isn't like he is doing anything over the top remarkable there. He gets what Iowa should be expected to get there.
I'm not sure where all this Soup love and Erb hate is coming from. Soup has produced two good WR's since being here, DJK and McNutt. Did he coach them up, sure, but it's also possible he just got a couple of physically talented WRs. Keenan Davis hasn't live up too expectations under Soup, nor has Shumpert or Cotton developed yet.
Erb's RB's have been assignment sure, sure-handed, good pass-blocking ... things you can coach. His RB's just haven't stuck around. Potentially this is a coaching/relationship issue or potentially we've just had a run of bad luck with young kids making poor life decisions.
Erb's RB's have been assignment sure, sure-handed, good pass-blocking ... things you can coach. His RB's just haven't stuck around. Potentially this is a coaching/relationship issue or potentially we've just had a run of bad luck with young kids making poor life decisions.
Hawkguy712
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pry lester erbs fault mike malloy got caught with weed too.
Iowa dont cover up stuff they suspend players, thats why the players that go thru Iowa get drafted, cuz theyre good people. (DJK) it aint always about stats
No coach would come here if we tell them they have to babysit players on weekends get real
Iowa dont cover up stuff they suspend players, thats why the players that go thru Iowa get drafted, cuz theyre good people. (DJK) it aint always about stats
No coach would come here if we tell them they have to babysit players on weekends get real
okeefe4prez
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I thought Erb got dealt a pretty bad hand in 2009 and again in 2010 (especially before the Insight Bowl) and made lemons out of lemonade both times.
tm3308
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No, not really. Greene wasn't around for spring practices, he came in the fall. Erb didn't have a lot to do with Greene's success. Most people saw the potential in him when he was a freshman.
Soup has actually been here for 4 years. He had DJK from his sophomore year, and worked with McNutt from scratch. What we saw from McNutt over the last 3 years is purely from Soup and Marvin. Soup is the best in the business for WR coaches, and has been for a long time.
i agree with this. Look at what he made Arob into. Just need to do a better job of keeping kids focused on doing well off the field as well as on.
That said, coaches are not babysitters. The kids have to be held accountable for something as well.
deanvogs
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Ok CAAR this one is easy.
So Erb deserves no credit for Greene? Why is that? If Greene would have flamed out, you would blame Erb, but since he did well, you want to ignore it? Seems like a double standard.
How about we look at the facts:
Erb move to RB's coach, and the only player they had to tote the rock was a kid coming off 2 years away from D1 college football, and was so out of shape he was barely ready for the season. Yep, sounds like a terrible job coaching the kid up to being the Doak Walker winner. At the same time he is developing a good backup in Jewel.
Fast forward a year. Greene leaves a year early, and Hampton goes down to injury. Erb has to take two FR RB and teach them the system, and make sure they are game ready. The two RB combine for 1 turnover all year, the Hawks run the ball effectively all year with the FR, and they win an Orange Bowl.
Fast forward another year. Whegher leaves, Hampton down to injury, he is left with Robinson. This is not a highly recruited kid, and he turns in a very solid year. At the same time he is bringing Coker (also having an early season injury) along nicely...so much so that when Robinson is dismissed from the team, that Coker sets a bowl record for rushing.
Fast forward another year. Coker returns, and has a good year for the Hawks.
Next year he will need to do ANOTHER good coaching job to make sure we have FR or kids with little to no experience can tote the rock.
Now if you want to put all the blame on Erb for Whegher knocking up his girlfriend, blame Erb for Robinson smoking the herb, for McCall having an off field issue, for Coker having an off season issue, then you have that right. You say he isn't enough of a "mentor". Well the fact is Erb can't be with these guys around the clock. Even good kids do drugs in college, even good kids get into trouble. He doesn't have players leaving because they don't like him, they are having kids leave because they get into trouble off the field.
Honestly none of us know if the kids like him or not. We don't know if he is a great recruiter, or is he is a good X and O's guy. You are simply making a blanket statement that since kids have gotten into trouble, it is HIS FAULT!
So Erb deserves no credit for Greene? Why is that? If Greene would have flamed out, you would blame Erb, but since he did well, you want to ignore it? Seems like a double standard.
How about we look at the facts:
Erb move to RB's coach, and the only player they had to tote the rock was a kid coming off 2 years away from D1 college football, and was so out of shape he was barely ready for the season. Yep, sounds like a terrible job coaching the kid up to being the Doak Walker winner. At the same time he is developing a good backup in Jewel.
Fast forward a year. Greene leaves a year early, and Hampton goes down to injury. Erb has to take two FR RB and teach them the system, and make sure they are game ready. The two RB combine for 1 turnover all year, the Hawks run the ball effectively all year with the FR, and they win an Orange Bowl.
Fast forward another year. Whegher leaves, Hampton down to injury, he is left with Robinson. This is not a highly recruited kid, and he turns in a very solid year. At the same time he is bringing Coker (also having an early season injury) along nicely...so much so that when Robinson is dismissed from the team, that Coker sets a bowl record for rushing.
Fast forward another year. Coker returns, and has a good year for the Hawks.
Next year he will need to do ANOTHER good coaching job to make sure we have FR or kids with little to no experience can tote the rock.
Now if you want to put all the blame on Erb for Whegher knocking up his girlfriend, blame Erb for Robinson smoking the herb, for McCall having an off field issue, for Coker having an off season issue, then you have that right. You say he isn't enough of a "mentor". Well the fact is Erb can't be with these guys around the clock. Even good kids do drugs in college, even good kids get into trouble. He doesn't have players leaving because they don't like him, they are having kids leave because they get into trouble off the field.
Honestly none of us know if the kids like him or not. We don't know if he is a great recruiter, or is he is a good X and O's guy. You are simply making a blanket statement that since kids have gotten into trouble, it is HIS FAULT!
MoseSchrute
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Only because he had so many carries. His YPC was not that great. It actually looked like he regressed this year from last. Anyway, I've seen enough of Erb. KF has enough connections that he could easily replace him with someone who can do at least as well.
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Nice Contribution. This is what I was looking for.
Let's go over the list.
1. Shonn Greene was coached by Jackson for two falls and two springs. He was coached by Erb one fall. Who gets the credit?
2. Your Orange Bowl year had Iowa as the Tenth rushing team in the conference. Your two freshmen were good for less than 100 yards per game. Sure, they didn't fumble. But that was about it. One had a 4.7 YPC number, the other was 3.2.
3. Iowa did better in 2010. They got up to 8th in the conference then. They had a whopping 4.3 YPC.
4. In 2011, they were dead last in the conference in rushing.
And all those guys who he coached up so they could battle Minnesota for the worst rushing offense in the conference over the last three years, they had a few NFL linemen in front of them and one of the more successful QB's in the program's history.
Seriously, if you are holding up Erb's on-field success, you need to get your facts straight.
cmhawks99
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Well for anyone with a decent logic train, it seems fairly obvious. I will agree however that logic, football and message board posters (Iowa’s especially) don’t go hand in hand.
But here goes…….he is clearly one of the most versatile guys on the staff being able to coach WR’s and then Rb’s with seemingly no transitional loss. He is one of if not the best recruiters and quite frankly, and this is a big one for me……..
The fact that many of the posters, that I truly wonder how they get thru life, don’t like him or want him here…….well that’s a plus in my book. As I mill about message boards I’ve begun to categorize a certain sect of posters on every board and if they don’t like something chances are I should………
But here goes…….he is clearly one of the most versatile guys on the staff being able to coach WR’s and then Rb’s with seemingly no transitional loss. He is one of if not the best recruiters and quite frankly, and this is a big one for me……..
The fact that many of the posters, that I truly wonder how they get thru life, don’t like him or want him here…….well that’s a plus in my book. As I mill about message boards I’ve begun to categorize a certain sect of posters on every board and if they don’t like something chances are I should………
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cmhawks99
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U R kidding right.......He has taken a position hit hard continually by problems and molded many different players into very good backs! He took a 2-star late scholly, a 4 star Iowa hero, a kid from Maryland etc, etc, etc…All I have to do is come to this board and I am continually amazed.
And Soup is likley one of the 3 or 4 or 5 best Wr coahes in America....comeon, use some logic here fellas.
