Why keep Erb?

[cmhawks99]

Funny, how nobody has been able to come up with anything. Seriously, nobody can come up with a nice little list?

Another example of seeing what you choose to see. It’s been said you are avoiding it……

Here I’ll list them again…

Very versatile can coach multiple spots…..

Very good recruiter in a business predicated on it….

Seems capable of meshing with multiple personalities and positions….

Seemingly has been able to thrive at finding top level Rbers even amongst some major struggles……

Pretty impressive resume. Let’s move onto the next scape goat this is fun!

 

[CAARHawk]

Well for anyone with a decent logic train, it seems fairly obvious. I will agree however that logic, football and message board posters (Iowa’s especially) don’t go hand in hand.

But here goes…….he is clearly one of the most versatile guys on the staff being able to coach WR’s and then Rb’s with seemingly no transitional loss. He is one of if not the best recruiters and quite frankly, and this is a big one for me……..


The fact that many of the posters, that I truly wonder how they get thru life, don’t like him or want him here…….well that’s a plus in my book. As I mill about message boards I’ve begun to categorize a certain sect of posters on every board and if they don’t like something chances are I should………

So the fact that Iowa went from the middle of the conference in rushing in Jackson's last three years to one of the two bottom schools over Erb's last three years isn't a transitional loss?

Seriously, besides the one year he inherited Greene he has coached Iowa backs to one of the two worst rushing attacks in the conference. There just is no way to spin his tenure as not a significant drop-off without just completely denying factual data.

 

[cmhawks99]

So the fact that Iowa went from the middle of the conference in rushing in Jackson's last three years to one of the two bottom schools over Erb's last three years isn't a transitional loss?

Seriously, besides the one year he inherited Greene he has coached Iowa backs to one of the two worst rushing attacks in the conference. There just is no way to spin his tenure as not a significant drop-off without just completely denying factual data.

Carr,

You are the epitome of who I’m talking about. If you told me the sky was blue I’d get a second opinion. I’d love to talk to some of the cats you work with and for. Take a look at your productivity charts because you are a gem.

In 2005 we were 7th in the Big 10

2006 we were 7th

2007 we were 10th…..


This is Iowa and the O. Not Lester Erb…..like I said let’s move onto what…..KOK now?!?!.

Oh by the by, did you know LSU was 75th this year in total O. They are piling on down there; they could use your brand of lynching….

 

[deanvogs]

Nice Contribution. This is what I was looking for.

Let's go over the list.

1. Shonn Greene was coached by Jackson for two falls and two springs. He was coached by Erb one fall. Who gets the credit?

2. Your Orange Bowl year had Iowa as the Tenth rushing team in the conference. Your two freshmen were good for less than 100 yards per game. Sure, they didn't fumble. But that was about it. One had a 4.7 YPC number, the other was 3.2.

3. Iowa did better in 2010. They got up to 8th in the conference then. They had a whopping 4.3 YPC.

4. In 2011, they were dead last in the conference in rushing.

And all those guys who he coached up so they could battle Minnesota for the worst rushing offense in the conference over the last three years, they had a few NFL linemen in front of them and one of the more successful QB's in the program's history.

Seriously, if you are holding up Erb's on-field success, you need to get your facts straight.

I have my facts straight, but its crap like that, is why nobody responds to you. Someone sees it differently than you, and you say they cant see facts.

Just for fun, lets do this according to your logic. Greene left school under Jackson, so Jackson did a TERRIBLE JOB, not a good coaching job. Erb coached an out of shape, out of the game RB to a Doak Walker year.....all Erb's credit, as Jackson "ran off" Greene.

Every year you say he did a bad job, he lost one of his top RB to injury, and in one year lost his top 2 RB.

According to your logic, Soup is a terrible coach and a bad mentor, as DJK was running a drug house when he was his coach. You don't get to have it both ways. How about Grant, Shane Prater, Ngoumou all gone under Soup?

The simple fact of the matter is you have no insight whatsoever into how good of a coach Erb, and you are saying players getting in trouble off the field proves he is a bad coach. Please, please, please, tell me you have more than that?

You have been hit with reason after reason why Erb should be around.....all you have had for a response is our RB under Erb have been avg or below avg, all the while you refuse to give him credit for the freaking awesome year under his coaching....oh yeah, and players getting busted off the field....

 

[PCHawk]

So the fact that Iowa went from the middle of the conference in rushing in Jackson's last three years to one of the two bottom schools over Erb's last three years isn't a transitional loss? Seriously, besides the one year he inherited Greene he has coached Iowa backs to one of the two worst rushing attacks in the conference. There just is no way to spin his tenure as not a significant drop-off without just completely denying factual data.

Carr, You are the epitome of who I�m talking about. If you told the sky was blue I�d get a second opinion. I�d love to talk to some of the cats you work with and for. Take a look at your productivity charts because you are a gem. In 2005 we were 7th in the Big 10 2006 we were 7th 2007 we were 10th�.. This is Iowa and the O. Not Lester Erb�..like I said let�s move onto what�..KOK now?!?!. Oh by the by, did you know LSU was 75th this year in total O. They are piling on down there; they could use your brand of lynching�.

Dude what are you talking about? I just looked outside and the sky is black

 

[cmhawks99]

I have my facts straight, but its crap like that, is why nobody responds to you. Someone sees it differently than you, and you say they cant see facts.

Just for fun, lets do this according to your logic. Greene left school under Jackson, so Jackson did a TERRIBLE JOB, not a good coaching job. Erb coached an out of shape, out of the game RB to a Doak Walker year.....all Erb's credit, as Jackson "ran off" Greene.

Every year you say he did a bad job, he lost one of his top RB to injury, and in one year lost his top 2 RB.

According to your logic, Soup is a terrible coach and a bad mentor, as DJK was running a drug house when he was his coach. You don't get to have it both ways. How about Grant, Shane Prater, Ngoumou all gone under Soup?

The simple fact of the matter is you have no insight whatsoever into how good of a coach Erb, and you are saying players getting in trouble off the field proves he is a bad coach. Please, please, please, tell me you have more than that?

You have been hit with reason after reason why Erb should be around.....all you have had for a response is our RB under Erb have been avg or below avg, all the while you refuse to give him credit for the freaking awesome year under his coaching....oh yeah, and players getting busted off the field....

He is frustrating but as I indicated above, he is an example of what is wrong with the world right now. If he thought something was good, I’d question my own judgment if I agreed.

 

[cmhawks99]

Dude what are you talking about? I just looked outside and the sky is black

Touche'.......

 

[CAARHawk]

Carr,

You are the epitome of who I’m talking about. If you told me the sky was blue I’d get a second opinion. I’d love to talk to some of the cats you work with and for. Take a look at your productivity charts because you are a gem.

In 2005 we were 7th in the Big 10

2006 we were 7th

2007 we were 10th…..


This is Iowa and the O. Not Lester Erb…..like I said let’s move onto what…..KOK now?!?!.

Oh by the by, did you know LSU was 75th this year in total O. They are piling on down there; they could use your brand of lynching….

Yes, you are right about 2007. I had to use a different site, because something was jacked up with the Big Ten site for that year.

But that still doesn't change the fact that Erb has directed one of the worst rushing attacks in the conference over the last three years.

By the way 7th and 7th and 10th > than 10th, 8th, and 12th, right?

 

[deanvogs]

He is frustrating but as I indicated above, he is an example of what is wrong with the world right now. If he thought something was good, I’d question my own judgment if I agreed.

You don't know CAAR then....he comes up with these and he sticks to them, come h*ll or high water.....I usually see where he is coming from, and he is usually a spot on poster, I just think he is off the mark on this one is all.

 

[cmhawks99]

Yes, you are right about 2007. I had to use a different site, because something was jacked up with the Big Ten site for that year.

But that still doesn't change the fact that Erb has directed one of the worst rushing attacks in the conference over the last three years.

By the way 7th and 7th and 10th > than 10th, 8th, and 12th, right?

Its funny how you see things and then how intelligent folks do......

 

[cmhawks99]

You don't know CAAR then....he comes up with these and he sticks to them, come h*ll or high water.....I usually see where he is coming from, and he is usually a spot on poster, I just think he is off the mark on this one is all.

Well then you are right....I don't know him. Unless I’m all wet and it’s possible as I come and go from here and sometimes forget posting names. But if I’m not mistaken I rarely agree with him and he is often on the side of burying the coaches and the team. If I’m wrong and have confused him with the usual suspects than I apologize.

 

[spudhawk]

I am with CAAR on this one. Illinois should not be a feather in anyone's cap as a recruiter and maybe I am way off base here, but don't all the coaches review film of the players they are going to target for their specific position? That seems to be the way that things should be done and if they aren't that is likely a serious problem with our recruiting philosophy.

If Erb is doing such a great job, why did Ferentz have no confidence in any of the other running backs this season? Why was Coker asking for a sub and the staff didn't feel like replacing him when he was clearly gassed? Erb is the coach for all the running backs, not just the good ones or the starters. I hold him directly responsible for the lack of help given to Coker this season.

 

[CAARHawk]

According to your logic, Soup is a terrible coach and a bad mentor, as DJK was running a drug house when he was his coach. You don't get to have it both ways. How about Grant, Shane Prater, Ngoumou all gone under Soup?

You have been hit with reason after reason why Erb should be around.....all you have had for a response is our RB under Erb have been avg or below avg, all the while you refuse to give him credit for the freaking awesome year under his coaching....oh yeah, and players getting busted off the field....

First, my logic would not say Soup is a terrible coach. Although DJK was running into trouble, he was way more effective than any of Iowa's backs who were not 'very good' according to statistics. They were serviceable. That is how you end up with one of the two worst rushing attacks in the conference over a three year period.

It would run into issues with the mentoring aspect. But throwing in Shane Prater, who only got an offer to get his brother, and Goo Moo, who never got on campus? Seriously? Should we throw Coe on the back of Erb as well?

And I am sorry, but there is far more evidence that indicates that he is not an effective RB coach than what is available by comparison to the one year where Greene who had been developed for 24 months under Jackson and five months under Erb would indicate. Greene's success ends up being a wait and see issue and the facts just are not there to credit the success more to Erb than Jackson.

 

[PCHawk]

sometimes a running back is just a stud and it has nothing to do with the coaches. I think Greene is one of those times

 

[hawkeye2011]

CM, I usually agree with you. But I do wish Erb would seek employment elsewhere.

Iowa's offensive staff is all but set up for failure, in particular on game day.

I don't think KOK is as bad as he is made out to be. But he is ineffective on game day as the sideline is not the best place to call a game from. UNLESS you have a competent set of eyes in the press box to relay necessary information.

Lester Erb (and I believe GA David R.) are the only Iowa offensive coaches in the box on game day.

Lester Erb is not much of an offensive mind to rely on to make game day adjustments. Problem is nobody else is either. Neither Campbell or Morgan are offensive minds from a system standpoint either.

We rarely make adjustments or get feedback during the game that allows us to take advantage of certain things.

KOK should really move to the box.

Lester Erb is not well thought of the team (think coach k jr). Phony is one term used to describe him I have been told.

Honestly the RB coach position is one of the least technical and is often reserved for somebody who can recruit their a$$ off.

He is also a special teams coach, and while I believe our struggles are much more a result of lack of talented reserve TE's, LB's, S's, and fullbacks than a result of poor coaching, he still holds some degree of responsibility.

I personally find him to be a DB (not defensive back either), and wouldn't talk him out of leaving.

 

[deanvogs]

First, my logic would not say Soup is a terrible coach. Although DJK was running into trouble, he was way more effective than any of Iowa's backs who were not 'very good' according to statistics. They were serviceable. That is how you end up with one of the two worst rushing attacks in the conference over a three year period.

It would run into issues with the mentoring aspect. But throwing in Shane Prater, who only got an offer to get his brother, and Goo Moo, who never got on campus? Seriously? Should we throw Coe on the back of Erb as well?

And I am sorry, but there is far more evidence that indicates that he is not an effective RB coach than what is available by comparison to the one year where Greene who had been developed for 24 months under Jackson and five months under Erb would indicate. Greene's success ends up being a wait and see issue and the facts just are not there to credit the success more to Erb than Jackson.

Under Jackson Greene had 173 yds, and 205 yds......under Erb, two freaking years later, after being out of college football for 2 years, and out of shape he is a Doak walker winner.....you are seriously going to credit the guy from 2 years earlier.....that is just nuts, because according to you when players leave it is the position coaches fault....

Your grips should be toward KOK, or KF. They run continually into 8 man fronts, they will never be a great YPC team. Besides 2002 I don't think under KF they have avg. over 5 YPC as a team.

BTW I won't argue about Soup, he is a good coach, and I realize the what DJK does off the field is not a reflection of Soup. Yet according to you it is the position coaches fault...

 

[spudhawk]

Under Jackson Greene had 173 yds, and 205 yds......under Erb, two freaking years later, after being out of college football for 2 years, and out of shape he is a Doak walker winner.....you are seriously going to credit the guy from 2 years earlier.....that is just nuts, because according to you when players leave it is the position coaches fault....

Your grips should be toward KOK, or KF. They run continually into 8 man fronts, they will never be a great YPC team. Besides 2002 I don't think under KF they have avg. over 5 YPC as a team.

BTW I won't argue about Soup, he is a good coach, and I realize the what DJK does off the field is not a reflection of Soup. Yet according to you it is the position coaches fault...

Under Jackson Iowa had some semblance of running back depth. Greene ran for 100 yards in his first game, but was rightly on the bench behind two talented backs- Albert Young and Damian Sims- imagine that depth at running back and multiple 100 yard rushers in a season.

Erb has not shown an ability to do anything special. Shonn Greene would have rushed for 4,000 yards if he was the starter for three seasons. Adam Robinson was better than people realized, but Erb should get some credit for that. Robinson is the only thing I can think of that is a positive for his ledger.

 

[PCHawk]

I really don't think either coach is responsible for Greene, he was just good. A running backs coach can teach blocking and small things like that but you either have it or you don't. The question with Erb isn't so much how well he coaches backs as much as why he can't keep them here. its not that he is the reason they get in trouble but if they liked him more maybe he would be the reason they stay after getting into trouble

 

[deanvogs]

Under Jackson Iowa had some semblance of running back depth. Greene ran for 100 yards in his first game, but was rightly on the bench behind two talented backs- Albert Young and Damian Sims- imagine that depth at running back and multiple 100 yard rushers in a season.

Erb has not shown an ability to do anything special. Shonn Greene would have rushed for 4,000 yards if he was the starter for three seasons. Adam Robinson was better than people realized, but Erb should get some credit for that. Robinson is the only thing I can think of that is a positive for his ledger.

At least this is reasonable and fair. I also felt that Erb did a good job with Robinson, and I thought Wegher also.

I don't really know if he is a good coach or not, but kids getting in trouble off the field really doesn't reflect on the coach to me.

 

[CAARHawk]

Yep, you are probably right about RBs having it or not having it.