Why is McNutt only a 4th round projection?

After failures against Nebraska and Oklahoma, JVB, McNutt and KOK were all deemed TURRIBLE by the "smart" people here. Don't you think the poor performance of one would result in poor performance of the others?
 
DuffMan said:
Re-read what I said. It's pretty clear. If you can't follow along I'm not going to help you.
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You said: "Mcnutt numbers occurred against solid competition in a system not known for producing good wr numbers. if anything Mcnutts numbers are MORE impressive taken in context."

I said: "Why would McNutt's numbers against OK/average competition be impressive?"

I could understand why his numbers would be impressive against good or even above average competition. But why would his numbers be impressive against OK/average competition? If you cannot defend your position, that is OK.
 
First round pick AJ Jenkins went crazy against Arky State, Ariz State (one point home win), NW (268 yds), and Indiana. He had a solid day against Michigan 8-103.

Michael Floyd had big days against South Florida, Michigan, Purdue and Navy. Struggled against Wake Forest, USC, Pitt (McNutt did much better against them), FSU.

Blackmon mostly did well, but it was the B12.

Stephen Hill had 100+ against Western Carolina, Middle Tennessee, and NC.

Guys struggle against good teams. Big surprise.
 
LG210 said:
Bingo.

I know that to a lot of folks I probably came off as a jerk in this thread due to how I responded to Duff, but his MO is a little ridiculous. Raise a topic that you already have a set opinion about in the form of a question; if somebody answers the question in a manner inconsistent with such set opinion, an argument ensues; if somebody refutes an argument, add a qualification that wasn't in your initial argument, move the goal posts, change definitions of words, etc.

That is too bad, because when not on his MO, Duff can be a pretty entertaining poster on here. For example, his response to Steve Deace's mock draft may have been the single greatest response I have read on this entire website.
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Dear you,

One of the biggest purposes of this, or any other message board, is to discuss/debate topics in which multiple people hold a common interest in a particular subject but have differing views/opinions. Debate consists of multiple people with two or more viewpoints discussing the validity of thier own, and other view points. They frequently defed thier own view by submitting evidence/facts that support it, and attack the view/stance of others by submitting evidence/facts that weaken it. Intelligent people understand that attacking ones position is not an attack on ones person and freely make worthwhile contributions to the discussion. That's how this whole thing works.

Sincerely,
Everyone else
 
This is a deep draft for wide receivers a few will turn out to be solid pros, but imo, there is no Calvin Johnson in this draft, there is no elite guy. In other years, McNutt would probably be drafted a little higher, this year it just happen to be a bunch of really good, but not great receivers.


My two cents......didn't really add to the thread, but oh well.
 
LG210 said:
You said: "Mcnutt numbers occurred against solid competition in a system not known for producing good wr numbers. if anything Mcnutts numbers are MORE impressive taken in context."

I said: "Why would McNutt's numbers against OK/average competition be impressive?"

I could understand why his numbers would be impressive against good or even above average competition. But why would his numbers be impressive against OK/average competition? If you cannot defend your position, that is OK.
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Read what I said (all of it not just one or two words). Think real hard about what I read (take a **** while thinking about it if it helps). If you still don't understand, stop trying and go catch the last hour of Rush, maybe he can give you the answer to this also.
 
Not sure other than being an Iowan fan why anyone would think mc nutt was better than a fourth round ? Avg speed struggles against press coverage. Tm3308 was all over him last year being a 2nd round guy if he came out. Not sure how do look old threads up app, but everything is covered in there.
 
trj said:
This is a deep draft for wide receivers a few will turn out to be solid pros, but imo, there is no Calvin Johnson in this draft, there is no elite guy. In other years, McNutt would probably be drafted a little higher, this year it just happen to be a bunch of really good, but not great receivers.


My two cents......didn't really add to the thread, but oh well.
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In all fairness there has been only one Calvin Johnson in the history of the world. He's literally the football equivilent of Lebron James. The NFL hasn't seen anyone with the physical tools he has.

I agree this is a pretty deep WR draft.
 
DuffMan said:
Dear you,

One of the biggest purposes of this, or any other message board, is to discuss/debate topics in which multiple people hold a common interest in a particular subject but have differing views/opinions. Debate consists of multiple people with two or more viewpoints discussing the validity of thier own, and other view points. They frequently defed thier own view by submitting evidence/facts that support it, and attack the view/stance of others by submitting evidence/facts that weaken it. Intelligent people understand that attacking ones position is not an attack on ones person and freely make worthwhile contributions to the discussion. That's how this whole thing works.

Sincerely,
Everyone else
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Yawn...
 
DuffMan said:
Read what I said (all of it not just one or two words). Think real hard about what I read (take a **** while thinking about it if it helps). If you still don't understand, stop trying and go catch the last hour of Rush, maybe he can give you the answer to this also.
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Seriously, why would his numbers against average/OK competition be impressive? You said that they would be. Please humor me and explain your rationale.
 
DuffMan said:
This is fair, and it's probably very accurate in terms of NFL execs thought processes.

That said when you look at some of the guys "projected" ahead of McNutt there are still some real head scratchers.

Check out this link...

WalterFootball.com: 2012 NFL Draft: Wide Receiver Rankings

Listed above McNutt you have a couple of guys who ran 4.65+. You have a guy with a similar height and weight who had a fraction of his college production and has serious questions about his drive and potential weight issues (pictured above). You have another guy with a similar body and combine measurables that failed to really shine at senior bowl practices and played against worse competition than McNutt.

I just find it odd.
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Did you actually read the evals, or are you just going off of their 40's? Kendall Wright ran a 4.61 at the combine. But anyone who's watched him play knows he plays much faster than that. Sanu ran a 4.67 at the combine, but a 4.54 at his pro day. Jeffrey is more athletically gifted (see: faster).
 
tm3308 said:
Did you actually read the evals, or are you just going off of their 40's? Kendall Wright ran a 4.61 at the combine. But anyone who's watched him play knows he plays much faster than that. Sanu ran a 4.67 at the combine, but a 4.54 at his pro day. Jeffrey is more athletically gifted (see: faster).
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I did, which made a lot of it all the more confusing. In fact judging just by what was written in the evals you would think McNutt was a top 10 WR not 14th. Although I give the guy credit, he does have 2nd round the ceiling for McNutt...

PS LG, there is a clue in here to help you figure out what I mean earlier (not that one should be needed).

4/24/12: McNutt ran faster than expected at the Combin, and was solid in the field drills. He also performed well at the Senior Bowl and showcased a well-developed skill set. McNutt has been told that he could go in the 2-4 round range.

McNutt is an underrated prospect and could be a steal. He made 82 catches for 1,315 yards and 12 touchdowns this year. McNutt produced big plays in all levels of the defense and beat secondaries with a combination of size and quickness. The only teams that truly limited him were Nebraska and Oklahoma. McNutt couldn't get separation from Nebraska cornerback Alfonzo Dennard. If McNutt had gotten the better of Dennard, then he could have been a first-round pick.

McNutt could have even more production if he played in a better passing offense. McNutt has deceptive quickness, good hands and runs good routes. He is capable of making big plays downfield with his speed and his size.

8/19/11: Marvin McNutt was the primary weapon for Ricky Stanzi, and McNutt recorded 53 catches for 861 yards and eight touchdowns last season. As a sophomore, he had 34 receptions for 674 yards and eight scores. McNutt will have a new signal caller in 2011, so that will be interesting to see how he performs. McNutt has good size and deceptive quickness. If he went to a passing-led school, he could have much better numbers.
 
DuffMan said:
I did, which made a lot of it all the more confusing. In fact judging just by what was written in the evals you would think McNutt was a top 10 WR not 14th. Although I give the guy credit, he does have 2nd round the ceiling for McNutt...

PS LG, there is a clue in here to help you figure out what I mean earlier (not that one should be needed).

4/24/12: McNutt ran faster than expected at the Combin, and was solid in the field drills. He also performed well at the Senior Bowl and showcased a well-developed skill set. McNutt has been told that he could go in the 2-4 round range.

McNutt is an underrated prospect and could be a steal. He made 82 catches for 1,315 yards and 12 touchdowns this year. McNutt produced big plays in all levels of the defense and beat secondaries with a combination of size and quickness. The only teams that truly limited him were Nebraska and Oklahoma. McNutt couldn't get separation from Nebraska cornerback Alfonzo Dennard. If McNutt had gotten the better of Dennard, then he could have been a first-round pick.

McNutt could have even more production if he played in a better passing offense. McNutt has deceptive quickness, good hands and runs good routes. He is capable of making big plays downfield with his speed and his size.

8/19/11: Marvin McNutt was the primary weapon for Ricky Stanzi, and McNutt recorded 53 catches for 861 yards and eight touchdowns last season. As a sophomore, he had 34 receptions for 674 yards and eight scores. McNutt will have a new signal caller in 2011, so that will be interesting to see how he performs. McNutt has good size and deceptive quickness. If he went to a passing-led school, he could have much better numbers.
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Duff--I'm not as smart as you. Please just spell it out for me.
 
I would have loved to read Duff's evaluation of Troy Davis back in the day. Nobody has his numbers! Don't worry too much about the average speed, the numbers!
 
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