MelroseHawkins
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OMG that cat traveled a lot. All the way from freshman to senior. It was my & my wifes inside joke watching the games.
Who was the last 4 star hoops recruit?
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Worley may be the poster child for what has plagued this program since Mr. Davis was let go...poor player development.
1977Hawkeye
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Poor player development was basically Alford's MO. When Lick took over, it shifted to poor player retention.. Nobody stuck around long enough under Lick for us to accurately rate Lick's player development IMO.
Not that Alford was a master at keeping guys around, but he looked pretty good compared to Lick.
PalmettoHawkFan
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probably '93-94:
Kingsbury
Settles
Ed Jenkins (top 50, 4 star PF from Ohio, who couldn't get his ACT so went juco and then Ohio State...highly rated in HS but got fat in juco and never really did anything in the Big Ten)
storminspank
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It's nearly impossible in basketball.
In football, you have 100+ players, you can take chances on projects and walk-ons. In football, you have 12 scholarships, you can afford to have projects or walk-ons and expect them to contribute significantly. Yes, there have been walk-on successes in basketball, but nowhere near the same amount as in football. It's just not possible or feasible.
tm3308
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Plus, while still not perfect, basketball recruiting services are typically much more accurate, in large part due to AAU. In football, more guys slip through the cracks.
So there are very few 2* guys that have the kind of potential to be a college star.
SwirlinLingerie
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Nearly impossible to develop basketball players that aren't more highly ranked? What?
You are missing the argument, Spank. The poster isn't trying to say you can win a Big Ten title with only one and two star recruits (by the way, you can't do that in football either).
But you can win a Big Ten title by developing your players over time, including some lower rated recruits that round out your squad.
Bo Ryan is a great example. So is Tom Izzo. (He develops guys, including some that aren't four star players).
Tom Davis finished second in the Big Ten with a squad of players that had been ranked at highly variable levels as high school kids.
SirEdHightower
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jacknicholson
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And being out of position on D over and over, jumping out to help cover someone, leaving his man open to receive a pass for the bucket.
BigD
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Lol......... Glen was a disappointment and was blown out of proportion. I remember when we signed him the sports media saying he was the most highly recruited player at the time to sign for Iowa. I actually thought Michael Payne looked better as a freshman and then Payne kinda fizzled out a little also. Now the other part of the freshmen twin tower, Greg Stokes....now he was fun to watch.
MelroseHawkins
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Plus in football you can literally "manufacture" a player to fit positions & nobody "manufactures" players better than KF & Doyle. I mean a player comes in & the coach can say, "Alright, lets put you at DE, I want you to put on 45 lb of good muscle & we'll start tweaking your body for that position". That just doesn't happen in b-ball & often it's either if they have it or not.
storminspank
Justin VanLaere
Please provide me examples of 1 and 2 star recruits (and or walkons) that regularly contribute to successful programs.
IATrainMaster101
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Darrell Moore, Ryan Bowen, Kent McCausland. That was a very good team. It can be done, it is not the norm but it happens.
storminspank
Justin VanLaere
Some good examples.
McCausland got some good looks, though, being on Raef's AAU team.
PalmettoHawkFan
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Wasn't Bowen regarded a bit better than a 2 star?
Bartles and Bauer were pretty useful. Bartles could dunk from the free throw line -- no joke.
Bartles and Bauer were pretty useful. Bartles could dunk from the free throw line -- no joke.
hawkforlife9
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Greg Stokes?
nationalchamps
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No he couldn't. He could get close, but could never do it.
SwirlinLingerie
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Spank, you said it is nearly impossible to develop players in basketball that are two star guys. I'd argue both Wisconsin and Butler have likely had valuable contributors that were in this range, and both programs likely did a great job developing them.
Proportionally, aren't we only talking about a couple kids falling into this category from a basketball team? That's the same as having 20 or 30 (or more) kids on a football team in this category. I guess I don't see how the development of these types of players, proportionally, is so much less possible in basketball.
Just thinking of that '97 team, Bauer, Moore, McCausland and Bowen all played big minutes, and all were developed over their time at Iowa. Several other examples from the Tom Davis era, too.
Of course, like Ryan and Stevens, Davis was a great coach when it came to player development. And so is Ferentz, which comes back to the original point. That it is easier to win with great talent, but even in basketball, great coaches can develop even a two star player or two into contributors on a good team.
Proportionally, aren't we only talking about a couple kids falling into this category from a basketball team? That's the same as having 20 or 30 (or more) kids on a football team in this category. I guess I don't see how the development of these types of players, proportionally, is so much less possible in basketball.
Just thinking of that '97 team, Bauer, Moore, McCausland and Bowen all played big minutes, and all were developed over their time at Iowa. Several other examples from the Tom Davis era, too.
Of course, like Ryan and Stevens, Davis was a great coach when it came to player development. And so is Ferentz, which comes back to the original point. That it is easier to win with great talent, but even in basketball, great coaches can develop even a two star player or two into contributors on a good team.
