NikeHawk21
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Pmac and Frederick are completely different. CJ is 6’4 and known as a shooter. Pmac is 6’9 dunker energy type.
Way to early starting 5 (next year)
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NikeHawk21
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1 of those was in garbage time but he did appear to have a little more confidence near the end of the season.
dahlhawk
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Toussaint is not coming to sit on the bench. If Fran doesn't play his 4 star from New York he can kiss his East Coast recruiting goodbye. Toussaint can handle the ball and pass. He already plays with the big boys in NYC. He won't need a season to get used to the higher level of talent.
You are completely right and I was wrong. I admit all I really knew about them was the occassional highlight that I have seen and I just lumped them in the "very skinny white kid" category (when they are that skinny they all look tall to me) and I assumed that they would both be limited because of their lack of bulk. After you replied I went back and watched their full highlight tapes and they are very different players, but almost if you put the two of them together and had a baby it would come out a Wieskamp. Looks like Joe is a much better shooter than Patrick and Joe is also much bigger and bulkier than Fredrick. So I wouldn't think either of them is a difference maker right now in providing the team something different than they don't have, just more multiples to give minutes and insulate from injury.
I do see Nunge if he is truly 7'0", much bulkier and can still shoot as a possible difference maker and Joe T with his quickness as a difference maker though. Pemsl not so much but a nice addition.
Would you agree with that?
I get what you are saying but he only became a 4 star late in the process and I believe it was only one service that ranked him a 4 star. He was mainly a mid major prospect when he committed. Not trying to slight the kid in any way. But I think people need to temper their expectations a little bit. Not all true freshmen can be instant contributors. Solid play for 5 to 10 min is what I'm hoping for.
I think minutes are going to be hard to come by for any reserve next year unless we see a couple departures.
NikeHawk21
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Agree with most of that.
I’m most excited/intrigued by Joe Toussaint and Nunge for next year. Those are guys that can be true difference makers IMO.
ibahawkeye
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I said it wrong... Moss is a 4 year starter and based on the film I’ve seen of CJ, I don’t anticipate he’ll contribute next year.
Maybe he’ll be an upgrade over Dailey but I’m not even counting on that.
But certainly if he were better than Moss, it’d be better for the team but are those your realistic expectations for CJ?
It will be interesting to see how the new guys compare to the old ones. Will Joe T be comparable to Connor, or will he be comparable to Bohannon (overall talent wise)? Will CJ compare to Dailey or will he compare to Moss? Will Patrick compare to Dailey or Baer? Will Nunge compare to Kriener or Garza? If all the new guys are upgrades over the reserves, we will be slightly better. But if some of them can be as good or better than the starters we will be way better. The one I think is most likely is CJ being an upgrade over Moss.
I don't expect it, but I think its very possible. Let's face it, Moss should have been recruited over fairly easily. I doubt there's much of a chance that CJ will be better than "good Moss". But how often do we see good Moss? I hope he's at least a big upgrade over "disappeared Moss" so we have a good option for the games where Moss isn't involved. This year we had no backup plan at all.
If both of those guys do end up difference makers, and we keep Cook and Moss, we will be a legit top 15 team next year.
I kid who becomes a 4 star late in the process is way more intriguing than one who was one early and never moved up. This insinuates he improved a lot late in his high school career and he hasn't already peaked.
I'll take the over on Toussaint, Patrick, and Nunge.
And I'll call it now. Nunge's play will demand 20-25 minutes a game. Patrick will carve out 15. Toussaint 15. Everyone else will be adjust. Assuming that Cook leaves, that's 51 MP freed up and 55 consumed. The extra 4 will come from Connor at point. Bohannon's minutes will go down a tad because he'll have a capable backup who will likely come in for defensive stands. Pemsl and Kriener will fight for the minutes not consumed in the front court. CJ and Dailey will fight for the minutes not consumed in the back court. Everyone else holds firm.
Those 3 guys are the future for Iowa basketball. We already have our star for the next 3 years (hopefully) but he needs a good supporting cast. He will have Garza for 2 more years which is a good start. If those 3 guys end up better than Cook, Moss, and Bohannon, we will be really good for the next 3 years. If not, we will probably be barely on either side of the bubble. I'm thinking worst case scenario we have Tom Davis results the next 4 years and Fran leaves. Best case is all 3 kids are upgrades and we have some special seasons so Fran sticks around long enough to coach his youngest son.
WindsorHawk
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For anyone that knows...Is Joe T a good FT shooter?
skinnykilmer17
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I lost track who posted PMac's inability to shoot but he has improved his stroke from last year. He shot 45% from deep this year per following article. But I would prefer he redshirt but sounds like the Mac boyz wanna start playing together right away. Maybe a good story but this troubles me for our team success moving forward.
Someone close to the McCaffrey family needs to sit down and explain to them that there is zero future in BB for Connor. He has already missed 21 baseball games this year and practice time. Next year too?
But I suspect their egos won't hear of it.
Joe T. needs to come in and immediately get minutes. More than Connor for sure. Fran could REALLY jeopardize point guard recruiting for years to come.
Mike Gesell started 30 games at PG as a TRUE freshman. Over 25 minutes/game. Shot 40% from field. Only 2.6 assists to 1.7 turnovers.
J Bo started 28 games at PG as a TRUE freshman. Over 29 minutes game. Good assist to TO ratio but only shot 38% from the field.
Joe T. needs to play and Connor should only play a few minutes a game if we are going to move this program forward imo. This should not be a feel good family story. We should have higher expectations than that. Probably good enough for Gary though.
https://amp.hawkcentral.com/amp/3269176002
Someone close to the McCaffrey family needs to sit down and explain to them that there is zero future in BB for Connor. He has already missed 21 baseball games this year and practice time. Next year too?
But I suspect their egos won't hear of it.
Joe T. needs to come in and immediately get minutes. More than Connor for sure. Fran could REALLY jeopardize point guard recruiting for years to come.
Mike Gesell started 30 games at PG as a TRUE freshman. Over 25 minutes/game. Shot 40% from field. Only 2.6 assists to 1.7 turnovers.
J Bo started 28 games at PG as a TRUE freshman. Over 29 minutes game. Good assist to TO ratio but only shot 38% from the field.
Joe T. needs to play and Connor should only play a few minutes a game if we are going to move this program forward imo. This should not be a feel good family story. We should have higher expectations than that. Probably good enough for Gary though.
https://amp.hawkcentral.com/amp/3269176002
TritonHawkeye
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Just so I am clear. We want the new 4* PG recruit to start over the current 4* PG and to also start over incumbent PG that just broke the teams career record for 3 point fieldgoals.
I'll tell ya, on paper I think we are in a good place with those types of problems.
I'll tell ya, on paper I think we are in a good place with those types of problems.
skinnykilmer17
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Huh? We currently have zero ability to break the defense down from the PG position. Have you watched any of the tournament? We might be the worst of that of any team I have seen.
Joe T. should be given EVERY opportunity to run this offense. Gesell and Bohannon were as freshman. There are freshman point guards succeeding all over the country.
I am not advocating taking away any of J Bo's minutes. Hopefully Joe T. will be capable and JBo can mostly play the off guard and back up PG minutes. 20/10. Moss still gets a good share. Maybe he can be instant offense off the bench as he goes in spurts anyway.
I could care less how many stars a guy had coming out of high school if you are referring to Connor. He is not a P6 PG. If he wants to be barely a part-time BB player then he and his father should adjust his minutes accordingly to barely any. This program could REALLY take a step forward but not if family gets in the way.
Sound familiar?
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skinnykilmer17
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Why do you think teams play in our jock straps on the perimeter making it impossible for us to even get open looks? Because they don't fear our ability to drive past them.
You boobs have been brainwashed/dumbed down by Fran. You have forgotten what a true point guard looks like. Get your heads in the frickin game.
We have some good pieces with Garza and Joe W and they could really shine with a defense that was even slightly made to play on their heels. Hell, even Cook's deficiencies could be masked.
And wouldn't you just love to see a true floor General scream at Cook to give him the damn ball before Cook tried pulling his coast to coast shit?
You boobs have been brainwashed/dumbed down by Fran. You have forgotten what a true point guard looks like. Get your heads in the frickin game.
We have some good pieces with Garza and Joe W and they could really shine with a defense that was even slightly made to play on their heels. Hell, even Cook's deficiencies could be masked.
And wouldn't you just love to see a true floor General scream at Cook to give him the damn ball before Cook tried pulling his coast to coast shit?
skinnykilmer17
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You boobs are the guys that are constantly complaining that the refs aren't calling the physical play on the perimeter. Quit making excuses and enabling Fran's inability to recruit quickness.
Skinny, I do agree with you that we could really use a quick point guard who can break the defense down and reduce some of the ball pressure on our shooters when teams play us tight. I think everyone does and I think everyone agrees we haven't had that in a while around here. I am also sure that Joe T. will have every opportunity to show off his skill set. But I disagree with you in the fact that Connor is a complete waste of a scholarship. Connor was really solid for us at times this past year and really an integral part of our improvement this past year, especially in the first half of the season. He is a really good passer, smart, plays with an edge that we need at times, and shows some leadership that we need at times. I am just saying he is a valuable part of this team even though he may have some deficiencies with quickness and shooting from 3.
But remember, he will have an off season as well to get better as he was basically a freshman this past year. He may improve his shot dramatically and lets hope he does. Lets also hope that Joe T. is everything we want him to be and more because we will be better if he is.
Biggest thing with this team is that we have to play as a team. There is nobody good enough that can win a game on his own, but we have a lot of players if not all of them that have some very special skills as well as some deficiencies. Getting everyone to buy into the team concept and not just accept their role but embrace it with vigor will be the difference between an average season and a special season. And we are going to need them all.
But remember, he will have an off season as well to get better as he was basically a freshman this past year. He may improve his shot dramatically and lets hope he does. Lets also hope that Joe T. is everything we want him to be and more because we will be better if he is.
Biggest thing with this team is that we have to play as a team. There is nobody good enough that can win a game on his own, but we have a lot of players if not all of them that have some very special skills as well as some deficiencies. Getting everyone to buy into the team concept and not just accept their role but embrace it with vigor will be the difference between an average season and a special season. And we are going to need them all.
