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Fryowa
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Again, McNamara hasn't thrown a td pass at iowa against a P4 team. Not 1. And those still puffing their chest about iowa going 8-4 to 10-2. That doesn't make us a good team. It just means we scheduled that many wins. And people are tired of the same old movie. It's beyond time to watch something different.
NorthKCHawk
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Said Nebraska administration and its fans when it fired Bo Pelini in 2014. Been a great decade of football since! Just sayin', different isn't always a good thing.
thedukeofearl
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NorthKCHawk
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BTW, I heard Collin Cowturd on Fox make almost this same argument about Mike Tomlin and the Steelers yesterday. "He is too old school, his offense is antiquated, his coaching is stale, you can't win with just defense and special teams, he was only elite when he had Big Ben, a consistent winning record is overrated...."
There is some irony in the two longest tenured head coaches with the same team in both leagues, whose teams wear near identical uniforms, falling under the same criticism that the game has passed them by.
There is some irony in the two longest tenured head coaches with the same team in both leagues, whose teams wear near identical uniforms, falling under the same criticism that the game has passed them by.
That’s really a dumb way to look at life. Kirk is chasing a record. Iowa is held hostage in the meantime. We know what we have here and it’s a completely new world now. It’s long beyond time to find out
Hay Man
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Let's say Kirk steps down...and then Beth hires from within the program...does Iowa's offensive scheme and identity change or stay the same? Play not to lose is the yearly theme for Iowa. I for one would love to see something different and more exciting, but what's the cost of that potential change???
99topdawg
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That works. Are you choosing Fonzie as QB? It feels like we've already jumped the shark.
The next guy isn't going to have any B1G West titles to sell alumni on. I love what IA does on D and ST Given the talent levels, so keep them similar. But open the offense to the point that it actually is Complimentary.
NorthKCHawk
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The first sentence was likely said on a Husker board in 2014. Shortly thereafter, they would have 6 consecutive losing seasons and became the laughing stock of college football. Or, they could have kept winning 9-10 games every season under Pelini. As Fry has said many times, most coaching hires end up a failure.
The second sentence is wildly untrue. Kirk does not have a prohibitive buy out and can be fired at any point. Everyone on this Board has been complimentary of Beth and has noted she is not Barta by any stretch. If he deserves to be fired, he will be. I suspect if he has a 6-6 or worse season at any point moving forward, he will be put out to pasture. But, its a suckers bet to fire a coach coming off an 8 or 9 win season. The odds of regression, especially in the short term, are far greater than the odds of improved winning totals.
Its not a sexy answer, but its just true. If true is dumb to you than so be it.
thedukeofearl
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trj
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Don’t pay attention to that dude he is long time Cyclone troll.
2008-2021: Iowa is 8-8 against ranked opponents and the only time they got beat by more than 10 points was the Rose Bowl debacle against Stanford.
Since then it has been brutal. They have been 0-8 and they really haven’t had a pulse in any these of games and that‘s the issue. Trophy games(ISU, Minnesota, Wisconsin and Nebraska) he has 5 losses in the last 10 years and as much as it suuucks to lose to those schools you really can’t complain.
The problem is that when Iowa faces a ranked opponent now, there’s no hope of winning. Take out Cyclone trolls and the fans with unrealistic expectations, the rest of us just want that hope back.
Lots of fans thought Ferentz would leave at the end of last season, after his son was fired. I was pretty confident he wouldn't be derailed by that -- his health was good and he still truly seemed to love the game. But I feel differently now. Going into this season expectations for this team were VERY high, and if they don't pan out this will be tough for Kirk to deal with, inside himself, even tho he won't admit it publicly. Only 4 games into this season, he already looks as old physically as he's ever looked. With this group of players and this schedule, THIS was the year to do something special. If the Hawks run the table and end up in the Top 20, it would be a great year for him to retire. If they end up 6-6 or worse -- certainly a possibility -- and facing a more/less complete rebuild (by Iowa standards) next season, he might just decide to retire for that reason too. The only reason I can see him staying on through next season is because the expections will be so low, the pressure will be off, and he'll be able to focus on 'teaching' the game more than Wins and Losses.
Couldn't agree more. We aren't dominant enough at running the ball (as good as they've been) to be that one dimensional. Supposedly we want to be balanced but the passing game has been trash. It's been so bad to the point it has us yearning for the Spencer Petras days.
I have to remind myself that we are right where most thought we would be. A loss to OSU and a loss somewhere else. And we should have won the somewhere else game. But we have to get better and I would vote to focus on next year's QB at this point. We can't lose much and we will be a whole lot better next year.
NorthKCHawk
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While I don't disagree all that much, I still think we are one competent prevent defense away from this being a totally different discussion. We hold on against ISU---a game where we were the better team---and now with the Minny win looking very good, and Iowa is probably still ranked and this group is happy. We all knew there was no hope against OSU. They are just at another level.
I understand that the Iowa State loss happened, but the difference between the sky is falling and sunshine and rainbows is pretty F-ing thin right now......
