Urban Meyer - Can Someone Please Explain To Me?

MelroseHawkins

MelroseHawkins

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First and foremost, I do not condone wife abuse or domestic assault. But, why is Urban Meyer on the hook for Zach Smith's domestic assault issue? Is it some kind of Ohio State "Zero tolerance" policy or similar that could get him fired. If is, does this policy apply to coaches like the players?

Aren't Zach's actions/responsibilities for the football program different than his actions in his private life? Why is Urban paying for what Smith did in his private life? I mean, what if Urban did know, which I think he did? What does it matter? Is Urban required to get involved in this personal life issue if doesn't have anything to do with Smith's job as an assistant coach?

To me, they are two separate things, private life vs football. Why is Urban on the hook for Smith's private life mishaps, even though Urban knew about it or lied?

If I had a domestic assault incidence, I don't see my boss getting fired over it. It's a private matter. Would your boss be fired over your domestic assault, even if they knew about it and didn't do anything.

Why was Urban mandated to address this private matter and do something about it, if may not have had an affect on the football team? I don't get it. Anybody else seeing my point? This just bugs me for some reason. To me, this is a private issue with Zach Smith and his ex-wife. I must be missing something.
 
I wondered the same thing. If a guy at "your job" gets in trouble for domestic abuse, they don't fire the CEO. The caveat of course, is if it happened "on the job". If anything, wouldn't it be the AD's job to deal with HR/personnel issues? Gene Smith should be the one getting some heat.
 
1. it is his responsibility to report it.


2. It is his responsibility to not try and cover it up and also not have people on his staff ask her to "not turn him in because he'll get fired"

3. He flat out lied last week at the B1G Media days by saying that the reporter who made the claims "fabricated" the story even though he had to have known.

4. He harbored a known wife beater on his football team. Do you think Joe Pa was innocent? Cause I don't
 
I know. I don't get it.

Why isn't Urban going in front of camera's stating "This was a private issue between Zach Smith and Courtney Smith". "Yea, I knew about it, do not condone domestic assault, but at this time did not have an affect on the Ohio State football team and Zach was able to perform his job responsibilities as assistant coach". "I let the courts deal with the Smith's private matter".

I mean what the hell. Why aren't they out there asking the media "What am I guilty of?".
 
InGoodCo said:
3. He flat out lied last week at the B1G Media days by saying that the reporter who made the claims "fabricated" the story even though he had to have known.
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Yeah, and he pissed that reporter off royally. Now, 20 years ago you piss off a reporter, no big deal because the newspaper or radio station will just bury the story he digs up with 1 phone call. Not this guy, though, he took it straight to social media.
 
InGoodCo said:
1. it is his responsibility to report it.


2. It is his responsibility to not try and cover it up and also not have people on his staff ask her to "not turn him in because he'll get fired"

3. He flat out lied last week at the B1G Media days by saying that the reporter who made the claims "fabricated" the story even though he had to have known.

4. He harbored a known wife beater on his football team. Do you think Joe Pa was innocent? Cause I don't
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Does this really fit though? This refers to "sexual" misconduct. Not specifically to domestic assault.
 
MelroseHawkins said:
I know. I don't get it.

Why isn't Urban going in front of camera's stating "This was a private issue between Zach Smith and Courtney Smith". "Yea, I knew about it, do not condone domestic assault, but at this time did not have an affect on the Ohio State football team and Zach was able to perform his job responsibilities as assistant coach". "I let the courts deal with the Smith's private matter".

I mean what the hell. Why aren't they out there asking the media "What am I guilty of?".
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again I ask you - Should Joe Pa have said something about his assistant coach? Or, doesn't matter because what they do on their own time doesn't concern him?

It's not that way anywhere man. If I beat my wife tomorrow, I'm probably fired and I am not in the public spot light at all.
 
MelroseHawkins said:
I know. I don't get it.

Why isn't Urban going in front of camera's stating "This was a private issue between Zach Smith and Courtney Smith". "Yea, I knew about it, do not condone domestic assault, but at this time did not have an affect on the Ohio State football team and Zach was able to perform his job responsibilities as assistant coach". "I let the courts deal with the Smith's private matter".

I mean what the hell. Why aren't they out there asking the media "What am I guilty of?".
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Public Enemy #1 on many college campuses is a man just like Urban. He is guilty of everything from Columbus's subjegation of natives up to and including illegal alien children allegedly being placed in cages at the border. Start with that premise.

But the allegation is that he harbored a wife beater on his staff. He hired the guy with knowledge he was a wife beater and kept him around when he continued to beat his wife. 18 out of 10 women on campuses are survivors of various of assault and Meyer perpetuates the patriarchy and toxic masculinity that makes that possible.
 
InGoodCo said:
1. it is his responsibility to report it.


2. It is his responsibility to not try and cover it up and also not have people on his staff ask her to "not turn him in because he'll get fired"

3. He flat out lied last week at the B1G Media days by saying that the reporter who made the claims "fabricated" the story even though he had to have known.

4. He harbored a known wife beater on his football team. Do you think Joe Pa was innocent? Cause I don't
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But what if Meyer didn't know the entire story or have all the facts. What if Courtney Smith is really out to bury Zach because it is a custody battle. Maybe she is bat shit crazy. Who knows. Is it Urban's job to figure all this out, be Jury and Judge and fire the guy. I mean let the court system work out this private matter. Meyer can fire after being found guilty by the courts.
 
MelroseHawkins said:
But what if Meyer didn't know the entire story or have all the facts. What if Courtney Smith is really out to bury Zach because it is a custody battle. Maybe she is bat shit crazy. Who knows. Is it Urban's job to figure all this out, be Jury and Judge and fire the guy. I mean let the court system work out this private matter. Meyer can fire after being found guilty by the courts.
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It is people like you who question allegations of women who make women less inclined to speak up about assault and violence issues. You should be ashamed.
 
MelroseHawkins said:
But what if Meyer didn't know the entire story or have all the facts. What if Courtney Smith is really out to bury Zach because it is a custody battle. Maybe she is bat shit crazy. Who knows. Is it Urban's job to figure all this out, be Jury and Judge and fire the guy. I mean let the court system work out this private matter. Meyer can fire after being found guilty by the courts.
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If this was an isolated instance, I think you might be on to something, but considering Courtney Smith confided in Meyer's wife who works as a nurse for TOSU BTW and should have reported it as well and has charges stemming all the way back to FL....probably not.
 
okeefe4prez said:
It is people like you who question allegations of women who make women less inclined to speak up about assault and violence issues. You should be ashamed.
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I'm not going this far, I am happy to have a discussion...but Urban's definitely at fault here and it's not really debatable. If he wasn't, why did he lie about it to EVERYONE just last week? He's covering it up.
 
MelroseHawkins said:
But what if Meyer didn't know the entire story or have all the facts. What if Courtney Smith is really out to bury Zach because it is a custody battle. Maybe she is bat shit crazy. Who knows. Is it Urban's job to figure all this out, be Jury and Judge and fire the guy. I mean let the court system work out this private matter. Meyer can fire after being found guilty by the courts.
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Stop while you're behind. Trust me here.
 
Urban Meyer knows what kind of shoe laces they use, what his RB had for dinner that weekend and the text messages released by Smith pretty much indicate that all the wives and other coaching staff knew of this, but some how Urban didn't? It's a ridiculous notion and one that I don't think TOSU is gonna try and state.
 
InGoodCo said:
Urban Meyer knows what kind of shoe laces they use, what his RB had for dinner that weekend and the text messages released by Smith pretty much indicate that all the wives and other coaching staff knew of this, but some how Urban didn't? It's a ridiculous notion and one that I don't think TOSU is gonna try and state.
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plausible deniability is the best way i've ever heard to describe "someone who is lying."
 
I'll say it like this and this goes for Melrose or any one, if you know someone who's beating his wife but is facing no repercussions for doing so - you should turn them in, or really you're just as bad for not doing so.
 
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