Urb not happy with other B1G coaches

[treychase]

Trey, yes we are all here to talk sports mainly. In addition, we all want a winner put on the field, court, mat etc... However, I and probably many others do not want Iowa or any other B1G school to stoop as low as schools in other conferences just to win. I/We do not want a win at all costs approach. Is that what you want? If so, I suggest you better look for a new team/school/conference to root for. Academics do matter that is why they are called student-athletes not just athletes. And could KF and other B1G coaches recruit better players, yes, but at what expense? It's not like they just don't recruit those players at all, they're just not landing them for a variety of reasons. And don't lump the whole B1G in with PSU, the rest of the B1G had nothing to do with it. None of us are happy with where the program is, but it doesn't mean we should break rules to get better. And why should the B1G stoop to the SEC's level, why not make everything universal and bring the SEC up to the B1G's standards or meet in between.

Jim Delany failed for over a DECADE to get the SEC to play by the B1G's rules. That's a little tidbit no one mentions.

If the B1G is happy to participate the way that they are, fine, they'll continue to see the gap between itself and the rest of the country grow. Once the nations top conference is now, by every metric, the 4th best conference athletically. If "standing above it all" is the B1G's stance, I would encourage them to leave the NCAA and form their own governing body and police it under the parameters they wish to play under and forego the millions and millions of dollars they are currently happily accepting from the NCAA, TV and its non-like-minded partners. Currently they are the poster child for hypocrisy.

 

[hawkfan340]

If academics are the goal & achieving a degree in something is what matters most to a kid, GREAT! OUTSTANDING! I honestly applaud him/her, but it has absolutely zero baring on what I care about. None. I watch Iowa games because I want to see Iowa win. I don't care about how they're doing in school, I just don't. JVB was, by all accounts, a terrific student, I don't care, I'll remember him for a horrific senior season.

Its ridiculous to not be capable of separating athletics & academics. You boil this all down & athletics are entertainment. This very site is perpetuated by us caring about Iowa sports, participated by uncompensated amateurs for gain by these publicly funded institutions. Yet some claim moral and ethical superiority. LOL I don't care about academics for these players. I don't care how Iowa gets them on campus. How many games did they win, that's what interests me.

If the goal is solely academia, that is an admirable goal & I would encourage any university to follow that path. If the goal is academia & athletics, be capable of separating the two and realizing and accepting that they have different missions and purposes.

The problem is that you are fundamentally wrong about the purpose of college athletics.

 

[IowaTeddy]

The problem is that you are fundamentally wrong about the purpose of college athletics.

I think the problem is that Treychase thinks college athletics are about him, the fan. That is where he is wrong. Maybe it seems like college sports are about the fan lately, with the way our sports culture/media is going, but they are not.

Professional sports, the NFL, is about the fans. Pro football is solely about the fans. College football on the other hand is purely about the players. You, the season ticket holder, internet blogger, etc, are completely irrelevant to the the fundamental existence of college football (college sports). And you may think otherwise, but you are mistaken. College sports were created to give students a chance to compete interscholastically. They are fundamentally student-athletes. College football is purely about competition between teams that represent their schools, and in many cases, states.

Treychase, you can feel a certain way. What's relevant to you is relevant to you. So, i get that you don't care about JVB's academics because they don't play a role in your life and his on-field play does. But, I think your comment reflects the core of what's wrong with college football and shows how the sport has turned in a bad direction.

 

[treychase]

The problem is that you are fundamentally wrong about the purpose of college athletics.

Which purpose would that be? The one where the universities profit enormous sums of money on the backs of unpaid athlete's talents and hide in the shroud of "academia and non-profit, tax exempt status"

LOL, that one?

The purpose is simple, to make freaking money and win. The end. Its not about helping Johnny Appleseed from Dubuque or Suzy Corncob from Altoona. The mere thought that it is is one of the most absurd things I've ever heard. Its cult level brainwash in action.

There are a few other reasons/purposes for college athletics but rest assured, none of them involve or care in the least what is best for Mary Soybean from Oskaloosa.

 

[LASBUR]

I think KF would get fired a lot quicker if he were caught cheating, or his kids wernt doing well in school than he would for losing games. The people of Iowa just wouldnt stand for it. If anyone doesnt care about those things there are plenty of schools out there that would share those values. Im not knocking anyones right to feel that way. I just dont think Iowa would be my team if I felt that way

 

[bws258]

The B1G lost any argument involving morals & ethics with Penn St. Gone. Good-bye.
As far as most of this country is concerned, the B1G is the most corrupt, morally ******** group of institutions on the planet.

This chest puffing exercise of believing that the B1G is better because of academia is the most absurd thing I've ever heard. Not one single person on this board is here because of academics. Not a single one of you, so stop acting like you care or that it matters because you don't and it doesn't. Win games. Its that simple. I do not care what major James Morris has nor what Tanner Miller's GPA is, I do not give a rip. Who cares? Nor do I care if they give recruits bags of cash, I don't care. I don't care if they can read & write, don't care. I only care about wins and loses. So, I applaud Urban Meyer and hope he follows through and calls these wussies out for there inept attempt to recruit football players. If academia means so much, I suggest you go tailgate outside the Chemistry department on gameday instead of at Kinnick. But you won't, because academia doesn't matter, you just won't admit it.

WTF?

 

[Wassabbe]

Urban is right

 

[kmurp]

Trey, I think its fine if you feel that way. But Im not sure you speak for everyone.

Trey doesn't speak for me. But I understand what he is saying. I would add that it would help tremendously if we could move the Bigten schools to the southern recruiting areas.

 

[LASBUR]

Lets get G-Tech in the BT !!!

Trey doesn't speak for me. But I understand what he is saying. I would add that it would help tremendously if we could move the Bigten schools to the southern recruiting areas.

 

[Hawkfromnorwalk]

Stole this from TOS. The B1G doesn't have many of the top 100 kids in it's footprint however the ones that are still leave to southern or western schools.

#3 Recruit to ND
#5 Recruit to Ole Miss
#6 Recruit to USC (Maryland kid so not B1G country yet but he's willing to travel to Southern Cal)
#9 Recruit to VaTech
#27 Recruit to USC
#28 Recruit to Florida
#31 Recruit to Pitt
#46 Recruit to Alabama
#49 Recruit to Miami (NJ kid so not B1G country yet)
#50 Recruit to LSU
#51 Recruit to USC (Maryland kid so not B1G country yet but he's willing to travel to Southern Cal)
#60 Recruit to ND

 

[JHHawk]

As the LSU booster told an Iowa fan....''down here in the SEC,it is all about cash and sex when it comes to recruiting these 18 and 19 yr old kids''....

Urban wants the Big Ten to go that route,clearly....sorry Urban, Big Ten does not roll that way.

 

[Seth53]

Urb's cool and right on.

You may not like him, but what he speaks of is undeniable.

 

[BILLBUCKNER]

Urban Meyer wants the Big Ten to step up its recruiting game - CBSSports.com

Leave it to the new guy to just waltz on in and tell the rest of the conference what to do. Not that it takes a rocket scientist to grasp what he is saying, the B1G sucked giant balls at recruiting this year. The lowest ranked recruiting class in the $EC, Kentucky, out recruited seven B1G schools. However, outside of dragging the moral standards of the class down to $EC levels I don't see that there is much of a way the conference overall can improve on their results.

I would take more pride winning a BG championship than winning the SEC winning a NC..Why,because the rest of the country has some standards. **** the SEC and their NC..They cheated like crazy to get them just like Lance and they'll lie thru their rotten teeth just like Lance to cover their *****. what urb and delaney and the rest of the BIG coaches should do along with the univ prez's and to call out the SEc for their dirt and refuse to play them any more!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[GhostofBTT]

How's your health Urban? I wouldn't want recruiting to cause any spontaneous health issues again.

 

[AdamHawk]

As the LSU booster told an Iowa fan....''down here in the SEC,it is all about cash and sex when it comes to recruiting these 18 and 19 yr old kids''....

Urban wants the Big Ten to go that route,clearly....sorry Urban, Big Ten does not roll that way.

This is the truth right here. It's pretty obvious what Urban is alluding to. I have a hard time believing the rest of the B10 will be buying what he is selling.

Someone said earlier in this thread that Urban doesn't say anything that doesn't benefit him directly. What he is trying to do here is get the rest of the conference to go along with what he is suggesting in order to take the heat off since OSU is under the microscope right now. It's not rocket science. He wants free reign to do whatever it takes in terms of recruiting.

 

[doclee]

When the U of Iowa stops caring about academics and when we sucumb to Trey's (ill)logic and take advice from Urban, that will be the day I end my support for the athletic program, the college of education, the alumni association, the student fund raisers for ill children, and shift my loyalty and attention to small college football. And, Trey, do NOT assume that your views represent the majority, or even a significant number of Iowa fans. You are making yourself look very foolish.

 

[NCHawker]

So he voiced an option. As if he can do something about the other 13 institutions' recruiting.

I'd be curious to know if his staments swayed any coaches or AD's to change what they are doing. I doubt it.

Iowa and other schools go after better athletes than what they get.

Should we start paying cash on the barel head for players? I duno. If OSU is, and I think they are, then sure. Problem is you gotta have boosters with that kind of scratch and the skill to do it. It takes commitment from people with the means to do it.

 

[jfwolfe]

The B1G lost any argument involving morals & ethics with Penn St. Gone. Good-bye.
As far as most of this country is concerned, the B1G is the most corrupt, morally ******** group of institutions on the planet.

This chest puffing exercise of believing that the B1G is better because of academia is the most absurd thing I've ever heard. Not one single person on this board is here because of academics. Not a single one of you, so stop acting like you care or that it matters because you don't and it doesn't. Win games. Its that simple. I do not care what major James Morris has nor what Tanner Miller's GPA is, I do not give a rip. Who cares? Nor do I care if they give recruits bags of cash, I don't care. I don't care if they can read & write, don't care. I only care about wins and loses. So, I applaud Urban Meyer and hope he follows through and calls these wussies out for there inept attempt to recruit football players. If academia means so much, I suggest you go tailgate outside the Chemistry department on gameday instead of at Kinnick. But you won't, because academia doesn't matter, you just won't admit it.

First of all, you make me laugh by dictating to us what we care about. Secondly, what happened at PSU has nothing to do with academics so get off it. Thirdly, winning at all costs is just what gets you bit in the *** at the end. It is not how I, a 2 time graduate of Iowa, wish the footbal program to be. You can dictate your feelings to yourself but not my feelings to me. That is all.

 

[ohhawk]

ESPN TOP 300 signings to the BIG this year -

Michigan 15
Ohio State 17
......rest of the Big 10 in total 14

Like him or not he has spent time in the SEC and now the BIG and yet he chooses to focus in GA and FL more and the state of Ohio less going forward. I would guess he knows what he is doing on the recruiting front more than anyone else. I doubt just winning the BIG is his main objective.

It should be interesting to compare results in the next 2-3 years to see how ISU is doing vs Iowa. We both tallied primarily 2nd tier players but ours were from the MW primarily where as ISU focused more so on FL.

 

[ohhawk]

College football is to education as bull fighting is to agriculture.


.......unfortunate but the trend.