Uh Oh, Wirfs got in some trouble

4thngoal said:
The laws biggest problem is it's open to interpretation. Unfortunately that opening is rarely filled with common sense.
If I was a DA, things would be different in my county. I certainly wouldn't want a bunch of minor charges coming before me.
Because the question (common sense) was raised of what about a buffalo wild wings?
I think this "law" should be treated as a guideline. I don't agree with it, but if the public wants to limit underage people in places that serve alcohol (never mind that they're old enough to go off to war) that's their choice.
However as a judge or a DA, I would simply say, "You could of just told him you were going to be back in an hour and he might want to be gone".
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These laws are designed with the specific purpose of shaking revenue out of young people. It is an offset against property taxes and local sales taxes. If you stop enforcing these, you will be voted out at the next election because the voter base is very clear - shake money out of people other than me. These exorbitant fines for minimal offenses are just stealth taxes and it is the job of the court system and state and county attorney offices to collect those. In places like Iowa there is fairly little "real crime" to go after, so 90+% of the job is to collect fines and court costs for total bullshit.
 
okeefe4prez said:
These laws are designed with the specific purpose of shaking revenue out of young people. It is an offset against property taxes and local sales taxes. If you stop enforcing these, you will be voted out at the next election because the voter base is very clear - shake money out of people other than me. These exorbitant fines for minimal offenses are just stealth taxes and it is the job of the court system and state and county attorney offices to collect those. In places like Iowa there is fairly little "real crime" to go after, so 90+% of the job is to collect fines and court costs for total bullshit.
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Which I fully understand.
But as was mentioned, in the pursuit of such a structure you will inevitably limit the very freedom provided by the sacrifice of our forefathers. This will not only cause civil unrest it will cause more cases of violation of civil rights. The outcome of such a course would then lead the general public to be less trusting of the police, the attorneys, the judges and the government. Thereby making not only civil unrest but undermining the very structure of the governmental system a direct result of the making and enforcement of arbitrary and minor laws.
No matter how different, all societies since the beginning of man have failed. The one and only thing they have in common is that it was the pursuit down the wrong path and unwillingness of those in charge to change the making of and enforcing of their rules and or laws.
The reason why we can look back and see where these societies failed is because we can see where their logic and common sense failed. Unfortunately this ability to see in real time is a gift very few have.
 
okeefe4prez said:
Dude,


I was basically raised in a bar. I heard they don't even allow smoking in the bars in Iowa anymore. Sad that the kids these days will never get to experience what I did.
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I guess my point was unless the kid was creating a public disturbence, falling down in a drunken stupor, beating someone up, sexually assaulting a girl the charge as shown on here looks very Gillead-ish. Why don't we make everyone wear black pants and vest and grow beards, not watch TV or listen to radio. Cmon.
 
4thngoal said:
The laws biggest problem is it's open to interpretation. Unfortunately that opening is rarely filled with common sense.
If I was a DA, things would be different in my county. I certainly wouldn't want a bunch of minor charges coming before me.
Because the question (common sense) was raised of what about a buffalo wild wings?
I think this "law" should be treated as a guideline. I don't agree with it, but if the public wants to limit underage people in places that serve alcohol (never mind that they're old enough to go off to war) that's their choice.
However as a judge or a DA, I would simply say, "You could of just told him you were going to be back in an hour and he might want to be gone".
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I've seen the Barney Fife "I'm in charge" syndrome in effect many times as a 55 y.o. It's pathetic the officer who cited the young man for this should be flogged by his superior what a D bag.
 
okeefe4prez said:
These laws are designed with the specific purpose of shaking revenue out of young people. It is an offset against property taxes and local sales taxes. If you stop enforcing these, you will be voted out at the next election because the voter base is very clear - shake money out of people other than me. These exorbitant fines for minimal offenses are just stealth taxes and it is the job of the court system and state and county attorney offices to collect those. In places like Iowa there is fairly little "real crime" to go after, so 90+% of the job is to collect fines and court costs for total bullshit.
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There is a way around most laws that doesn’t include a victim, or a damaged party. It’s called the right of subrogation.
 
4thngoal said:
Which I fully understand.
But as was mentioned, in the pursuit of such a structure you will inevitably limit the very freedom provided by the sacrifice of our forefathers. This will not only cause civil unrest it will cause more cases of violation of civil rights. The outcome of such a course would then lead the general public to be less trusting of the police, the attorneys, the judges and the government. Thereby making not only civil unrest but undermining the very structure of the governmental system a direct result of the making and enforcement of arbitrary and minor laws.
No matter how different, all societies since the beginning of man have failed. The one and only thing they have in common is that it was the pursuit down the wrong path and unwillingness of those in charge to change the making of and enforcing of their rules and or laws.
The reason why we can look back and see where these societies failed is because we can see where their logic and common sense failed. Unfortunately this ability to see in real time is a gift very few have.
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Unfortunately, we are already beginning to see this play out.
 
homes said:
My sense is that his "bad luck" is directly linked to his physical presence. It's hard to be just a face in the crowd when you're 6'5" and 325lbs. I wonder how many 5'11"/170 lbs guys got a similar ticket that night.
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Kickers never seem to get in trouble. :)

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I wish there was something Wirfs could do to repair his reputation...such as hold up a bolder like Sloth did for the Goonies.
 
okeefe4prez said:
These laws are designed with the specific purpose of shaking revenue out of young people. It is an offset against property taxes and local sales taxes. If you stop enforcing these, you will be voted out at the next election because the voter base is very clear - shake money out of people other than me. These exorbitant fines for minimal offenses are just stealth taxes and it is the job of the court system and state and county attorney offices to collect those. In places like Iowa there is fairly little "real crime" to go after, so 90+% of the job is to collect fines and court costs for total bullshit.
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Agree. The police should be doing police work, and not be deputized tax collectors. For every officer that is assigned to go into bars and write these tax bills to kids, it is one less officer patrolling the community providing its true objective, protecting and securing the safety of its residents. It's easy to blame the officers, but I don't blame them, they're doing their job, so they don't catch hell when they return to their post.
 
homes said:
Agree. The police should be doing police work, and not be deputized tax collectors. For every officer that is assigned to go into bars and write these tax bills to kids, it is one less officer patrolling the community providing its true objective, protecting and securing the safety of its residents. It's easy to blame the officers, but I don't blame them, they're doing their job, so they don't catch hell when they return to their post.
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Yeah it's not like there's a shortage of things to do. A month ago there were three shootings in about a 2 day period. Two of them were at Mercer park where I played all the time as a kid, and where my kids play now occasionally. Granted they caught the kid but I'm more concerned about violent crime then somebody violating an ordinance.
 
Ree4 said:
Yeah it's not like there's a shortage of things to do. A month ago there were three shootings in about a 2 day period. Two of them were at Mercer park where I played all the time as a kid, and where my kids play now occasionally. Granted they caught the kid but I'm more concerned about violent crime then somebody violating an ordinance.
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My truck got broken into once. I called the cops and he all but said they won't do any investigating to figure out who did it. Gotta have priorities.
 
PCHawk said:
My truck got broken into once. I called the cops and he all but said they won't do any investigating to figure out who did it. Gotta have priorities.
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My buddy's apartment in Chicago got broken into, lot of things stolen and ransacked. CPD wouldn't even send a unit out and they told him to document it with pictures and offered to mail him a police report for insurance purposes if he needed it. They are basically not investigating or prosecuting property crimes unless they happen right in front of an officer. Even cases where people have stuff on video. "Sorry."
 
PCHawk said:
My truck got broken into once. I called the cops and he all but said they won't do any investigating to figure out who did it. Gotta have priorities.
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I can easily top this. Over the years I've lived in many states. At each location I called the cops at least once to report a crime - either one I witnessed or one I was the victim of. It's always the same refrain, "If you witness someone being physically harmed, and you're willing to remain at that location for a long time, give us a call . . . otherwise we got donuts to eat."
 
okeefe4prez said:
My buddy's apartment in Chicago got broken into, lot of things stolen and ransacked. CPD wouldn't even send a unit out and they told him to document it with pictures and offered to mail him a police report for insurance purposes if he needed it. They are basically not investigating or prosecuting property crimes unless they happen right in front of an officer. Even cases where people have stuff on video. "Sorry."
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I wouldn’t be surprised if there were 50 burglaries a day reported to police in a city of over 2 million people. Realistically there’s no way to do anything about it.
 
Fryowa said:
I wouldn’t be surprised if there were 50 burglaries a day reported to police in a city of over 2 million people. Realistically there’s no way to do anything about it.
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Look, I know that, you know that, my buddy knows that. But when you have something like that happen and you're stroking $10k checks for property taxes, it would be nice if they could at least send someone out to feign caring for 10 minutes.
 
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