JoeyLabasForPresident
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You paid them off, didn’t you?
Uh Oh, Wirfs got in some trouble
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Had no choice. That $34.50 a pop was killing me.
Don’t ruin this for the rest of us.
If Anthony Nelson and Amani went pro, no way AJE and wirfs are back. They’ll have nothing more to prove. They won’t be able to improve their draft
numbers.
Case Number
2019006361
Offender
WIRFS, TRISTAN P
DOB
1/24/1999
Jailed
N
Offense Date/Time
6/28/2019 11:30:00 PM
Location
SPORTS COLUMN, 12 S DUBUQUE ST
Officer
Reinhard
Charges
In a Bar After 10 pm While Underage
How is this any different than sitting at Buffalo Wild Wings or chili’s? This is complete BS.
Herkeye1986
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Does anyone think Kirk will hold him out the first game for something so minuscule and ridiculous? I'd think a talking to and maybe some time doing extra's like community service? Does it being an hour and a half after 10pm come into play?
Chickenlounge
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I'm guessing he misses a game since he got that OWI last year. Kirk doens't like repeat offenders.
ModebaSan
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First of all, Wirfs could of avoided the whole thing by refusing to identify himself. You have to have reasonable articulable suspicion that a crime has been committed, is being committed, or about to be committed. How could they possibly know TW was 20 yrs. old unless 1.) They have encountered him before, or 2.) They have a list of Iowa players that are underage. Either way it sounds like profiling to me.
If TW refused to ID, they would have to let him go. You only have to ID yourself if and only if you have been arrested for a crime. It is only a secondary charge, not a reason to arrest.
I see the Iowa City ordinance as a violation of your First and Fourteenth Amendments. It violates a persons right to liberty. Liberty is the right to do what you want, go where you want, and say what you want. Underage drinking is a crime. But simply being underage, is not a crime. I’d like to see someone challenge the Constitutional validity of this stupid ordinance.
If TW refused to ID, they would have to let him go. You only have to ID yourself if and only if you have been arrested for a crime. It is only a secondary charge, not a reason to arrest.
I see the Iowa City ordinance as a violation of your First and Fourteenth Amendments. It violates a persons right to liberty. Liberty is the right to do what you want, go where you want, and say what you want. Underage drinking is a crime. But simply being underage, is not a crime. I’d like to see someone challenge the Constitutional validity of this stupid ordinance.
Fryowa
Administrator
If you think...
1) That would have worked in reality
2) That it would have caused less of a PR fiasco than just getting a ticket and moving on with your life...
...then I can totally understand how you’d get catfished by some Filipino dude and his girlfriend posing as your future mail order bride to rip you off.
NorthKCHawk
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I love your passion Modeba, but your understanding of the law is wrong in most respects. If he refused to show ID, I suspect they actually would have arrested him.
Standing up for constitutional principles sometimes works in the long run, after a lengthy and expensive court battle. But, they almost always start with the aggrieved citizen in handcuffs......
Standing up for constitutional principles sometimes works in the long run, after a lengthy and expensive court battle. But, they almost always start with the aggrieved citizen in handcuffs......
Look, I’m sure wirfs is a reasonably smart kid, starting o-lineman at a ferentz coached program usually are. Especially really good ones, but I don’t know how in the hell you would ever expect a 20 year old to play these cards. This is like when people have all these explanations to get out of a DUI.
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Serious question, do they post this 10:00 PM ordinance for minors on the window of bars in IC? If not, how would anyone from out of town know that at 9:59 they are about to turn in to Cinderella? Do the bars have a horn or bell that sounds warning all minors to split? It would be an interesting challenge in court, especially if the suspect has not been consuming.
ModebaSan
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Again the catfishing thing. As a matter of fact, standing up for your rights is the only way you can be free. It is how you change the world. There are thousands upon thousands of examples out there where the police and municipalities violate citizens rights everyday. If you don’t stand up for your rights then you deserve to lose them. You can be one of the sheep if you want to, but I wasn’t designed that way. I will always stand up for my rights instead of being one of the fucking walking dead out there. If I have to go in handcuffs to prove a point, I will. And in the end, I will win. And they will pay a hefty settlement as a result.
ModebaSan
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I just might have to come to Iowa City in the near future to do a 1st Amendment audit on the Iowa City PD, County Sheriffs Dept., Iowa Highway Patrol, City Hall and any other government entity’s just to prove a point, I will. Contrary to popular belief, the President of the United States is not the most powerful person in the country, it’s a pissed off American citizen.
JoeyLabasForPresident
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“Liberty” is not protected by the 1st amendment. While it certainly is a shitty ordinance, I see no valid constitutional violation here. Liberty is only “violated” in relation to the fourteenth amendment if due process is denied. Wirfs can have his day in court, if he’d like it. This ordinance is pretty clearly within the Iowa City’s police powers (which I would generally argue have been considered far too broad by the Supreme Court, but their is a long history of allowing very broad police powers to the state), just as it is perfectly valid for the state of Iowa to ban alcohol sales before 8:00 am on Sundays.
okeefe4prez
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See, this is all good and well, but you have obviously never read a police report. They are cut and paste jobs. If the guy refuses to identify himself, the report goes like:
"Officer Hardass and I entered Sports Column at 11:30 as part of an ongoing surveillance operation to curtail underage drinking. During the operation, we witnessed an individual personally known to Officer Hardass to be an individual who was under 21 years of age, hereinafter "Suspect." When approached and asked for an identification to verify compliance with City Ordinance, Suspect became nervous, fidgeted, began scanning the room and made a rapid move toward his waistband, at which point I, and Officer Hardass, pulled our firearms. We both demanded that the suspect show his hands. After giving the Suspect 32 seconds to comply, Suspect produced a black oblong object from his waistband. Fearing for the safety of the patrons in the bar and my own safety, I discharged my firearm 5 times into center mass of Suspect."
The time to challenge the police tactic is when you are not guilty. The cops probably know who the guy is and I'd be surprised if the bar doesn't color code wrist bands based on age to identify who can buy beer, thereby making it very easy for the cops to form reasonable suspicion.
ModebaSan
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Is being suspicious a misdemeanor or a felony? Wirfs was not consuming alcohol. So who is the victim here? Where is the crime? I’m sure most businesses and officers have video cameras these days and the officers better have there facts right or they can face charges of their own. Always video your interactions with the police.
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okeefe4prez
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Being suspicious is not a crime, but it is enough to create "reasonable suspicion" which allows the cops to detain you. Look, if you're 21 in a bar sober and the cops want to ID you, by all means ask them "am I being detained?" and get them to back off. But if you're 20 and illegally in a bar, there is a good chance it won't end well.
Fryowa
Administrator
Life is about discretion, proportionality, and choosing the lesser of multiple evils to make your life as easy as it can be under your given circumstances.
If you want to have a hippy demonstration and go to jail screaming, “Hell no, we won’t go” over what amounts to a curfew ticket be my guest. And if you think by doing so you’re falling on some sort of metaphorical sword and making a tangible change in the world one civil disobedience at a time, well...you’re less intelligent than I thought. You’ve let your Shangri-la view of how the “justice” system is supposed to work get intertwined with reality which is the absolute worst kind of naïveté. But go get ‘em, tiger...stick it to the man!!!
PS, people who say, “If I have to go in handcuffs to prove a point, I will...” are naive dullards at best, and hypocritical at worst. Because when the rubber meets the road you’re all talk. The Constitution has plenty of great arguments against it regarding taxes, but guess what? Ol’ ModebaSan pays ‘em each and every pay period, not because he’s a good dude who feels like they’re a necessary part of a high-functioning society, but because he knows if he doesn’t, Johnny Law is gonna come take his house and throw him in the slammer. So save the martyrdom spiel for someone who can’t see past it. You’re stealing the thunder of people who’ve really done stuff to make the world better.
okeefe4prez
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Hold up, don't dissuade people like this. Sovereign Citizens Getting Owned genre videos are one of my guilty pleasures.
