Trump supporters, how do you square this?

PCHawk said:
I'm completely indifferent to the name Gulf of America. The biggest issue with TDS is anything other than pure hatred is considered a love affair.
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You are so adamant on turning your love affair of them into something about how much we can't stand him, just to protect him and your feelings for him. Justifying them
 
kicker22 said:
You're right... We should definitely strip something like a suicide hotline down to the absolute bare minimum. Maybe we should also advertise when the hotline's peak hours are or when they're short staffed. Wouldn't want someone having a crisis at an inconvenient time (when the numbers are down or too many calls maybe be coming in) to be answered since we just cut the number of employees available to answer such calls.

I'm sorry and generally don't attack, but this is possibly the most cringeworthy response based on nothing but uncertainty. And maybe it's nothing more then me over reacting because I work in the mental health field and have lost a number of clients recently due to suicide, or maybe because just this morning I read about Jocelynn Rojo Carranza, an 11 year old school girl from Texas, that just took her life after bullies threatened to call ICE agents to deport her and her family.

You talk about all the money saved in such a short time, and tell those opposed to simply wait and see what kind of good comes from it in the long run. Here's the problem. There's just as much negativity and reason for concerns that has come in the short time he's in office that you can't simply make a "wait and see what good can come from it" without trying to weight the shitstorm that could just as easily be on the horizon.

There is not a monetary value to a life. We can talk about how much money is being saved by the government, but lives are being destroyed and affected by DOGE cuts. I spent months listening to MAGA throw Lakin Riley's name around using it as a single example of how we failed to secure the border. Am I going to hear MAGA use the same argument regarding Jocelynn Carranza taking her life as the result of a political policy? Big Picture is there is so much change going on right now simply to make changes that there's no telling what will happen long, but short term mistakes have been/are currently being made and that cannot continue.
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Hey man I had a good friend kill himself so I'm no stranger to suicide. My point is, this could be a situation where 1000 people is bare minimum, 10,000 people is complete overkill, and we ha e 50,000 people hired. These numbers are made up to prove my point obviously. But that could easily be the situation here. Again, I'm not even saying it is. I'm just saying it's kinda pointless to get that worked up over something when it's maybe no big deal at all.
 
PCHawk said:
Trump is openly talking about going after the pentagon soon.
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I'm betting that's already started. If this is a coup, and it sure looks like it, the dear leader-to-be must have his people in charge of the military. So I'm worried that he's already replacing senior military leadership who don't buy into his plan with those he can control. What would Putin be without the cooperation of the Russian military?

It's frightening to me that Donald Trump will be in control of the most powerful military in the world.
 
PCHawk said:
Hey man I had a good friend kill himself so I'm no stranger to suicide. My point is, this could be a situation where 1000 people is bare minimum, 10,000 people is complete overkill, and we ha e 50,000 people hired. These numbers are made up to prove my point obviously. But that could easily be the situation here. Again, I'm not even saying it is. I'm just saying it's kinda pointless to get that worked up over something when it's maybe no big deal at all.
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But even with the numbers used being superficial I don't see it being a situation in which anyone can come in and immediately start making changes. That's the problem I have with things. Sure everyone wants change, but when dealing with something as large and complex as the government I don't think its something you can just dive into and immediately start cutting programs. The nuclear weapons workers is the perfect example, if Musk did any homework, or took time to really consider what he was cutting he'd of never done it. How do I give him the benefit of the doubt that he made the right decision with making cuts to national suicide hotlines when he made such a glaring mistake with the nuclear weapons workers.

Were just over a month in and everything seems off the cuff. So were celebrating money saved with no insight whatsoever as to how everything will be affected. IF an employee of Trump or Musk made the error that Musk made, they'd of both terminated that individual for being negligent but instead it's nothing more then a laughable "my bad" moment because of everything else going on simultaneously. It has to stop.
 
kicker22 said:
But even with the numbers used being superficial I don't see it being a situation in which anyone can come in and immediately start making changes. That's the problem I have with things. Sure everyone wants change, but when dealing with something as large and complex as the government I don't think its something you can just dive into and immediately start cutting programs. The nuclear weapons workers is the perfect example, if Musk did any homework, or took time to really consider what he was cutting he'd of never done it. How do I give him the benefit of the doubt that he made the right decision with making cuts to national suicide hotlines when he made such a glaring mistake with the nuclear weapons workers.

Were just over a month in and everything seems off the cuff. So were celebrating money saved with no insight whatsoever as to how everything will be affected. IF an employee of Trump or Musk made the error that Musk made, they'd of both terminated that individual for being negligent but instead it's nothing more then a laughable "my bad" moment because of everything else going on simultaneously. It has to stop.
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Of course they can't. The bull in a china shop approach might work if you want to trash Twitter and then rebuild it out of the ashes, but this is just plain stupid.

A formal assessment of these programs would be a starter. But that's not what they are doing, and that's not their goal. They are intentionally destroying things they do not like.
 
The Gulf of Mexico was named by Spaniards because it served as a crucial route to Mexico-Tenochtitlán, the former capital of the Aztec Empire. The name stuck, as ships had to cross the gulf to reach the former Aztec capital.
 
PCHawk said:
Fact check: Zelensky won't allow elections to take place so he is in fact a dictator.
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General Jack Keane, who was awarded the Presidential Medal of Freedom by tRump said, "Zelensky's polling is 57% favorable. The constitution that Ukraine has prohibits elections when you declare martial law because of the state of war takes place.. The fact that their constitution is driving this - the parliament, bipartisan support for all of the extensions they have had to the martial law. They are acting democratically in my judgement and abiding by their constitution and also the parliament is supporting it which represents the people throughout the country. These are democratic actions taking place in a democratic country".

Gotta love your Russian talking points again.

I wonder if tRump will be trying that towards the end of his term and what will you say then???
 
PCHawk said:
Fact check: Zelensky won't allow elections to take place so he is in fact a dictator.
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You're a nut. During WWII England had no elections either. How in the hell can a country under constant attack and hammered by a dictator expect to have an election? How do you come up with this garbage?
 
Gibsonian said:
You're a nut. During WWII England had no elections either. How in the hell can a country under constant attack and hammered by a dictator expect to have an election? How do you come up with this garbage?
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For ten years GB didn't have an election. Dictators for sure but in your PC mind Hitler was the the good guy. You need help.
 
kicker22 said:
But even with the numbers used being superficial I don't see it being a situation in which anyone can come in and immediately start making changes. That's the problem I have with things. Sure everyone wants change, but when dealing with something as large and complex as the government I don't think its something you can just dive into and immediately start cutting programs. The nuclear weapons workers is the perfect example, if Musk did any homework, or took time to really consider what he was cutting he'd of never done it. How do I give him the benefit of the doubt that he made the right decision with making cuts to national suicide hotlines when he made such a glaring mistake with the nuclear weapons workers.

Were just over a month in and everything seems off the cuff. So were celebrating money saved with no insight whatsoever as to how everything will be affected. IF an employee of Trump or Musk made the error that Musk made, they'd of both terminated that individual for being negligent but instead it's nothing more then a laughable "my bad" moment because of everything else going on simultaneously. It has to stop.
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There is a commonly used method when downsizing a business where you error on the side of cutting too much and then adding back when needed. Seems to me like a pretty darn good way to cure money problems.

I can see how it seems off the cuff when you're an outsider looking in. We have no idea how much is going on behind the scenes. When you start looking through the lense of "if Trump is doing it it has to be bad" you will never be happy about anything. I'm not saying you're looking through that lense. You seem reasonable to be. But some other guys in this thread.....
 
Gibsonian said:
You're a nut. During WWII England had no elections either. How in the hell can a country under constant attack and hammered by a dictator expect to have an election? How do you come up with this garbage?
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If you get to stay in power as long as there is a war, it makes it difficult to want to end the war if you're in power. I'm not saying you're wrong (I know you're right). I'm just saying if you make that a rule in you're country, you're asking for trouble. Imagine Trump being able to start a war (or continue a war unnecessarily) just to stay in power. It's not a good idea.
 
Westernhawk said:
Trump calling Zalensky a dictator, but not Putin, is absolutely insane. Trump's followers will have some sort of half assed supportive response for this, though.

BTW Russia invaded Ukraine and many people have died.

Now The Shitgibbon, apparently acting on Russia's behalf, wants the war to end with Russia annexing part of Ukraine. You could see this coming a mile away. Trump is a bad faith, bad actor.
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And what if he gets it stopped. Say whatever but stop the people dying. Biden admin lollygagged and this was their new forever war after leaving Afghanistan. No peace table, only helping Ukraine only so much while at the same time not enforcing stuff against Russia that would hurt them. Both are really dictators actually and corruption on both sides and of course the last administration not keeping track of where a bunch of our money was ending up.

If the fighting stops under Trump there is nothing else to say. Same with the hostages like Biden got out Brittney Griner out of Russia but left the dude there that the trump administration had to get him out for .6 oz of medicinal.

Trump loves to troll and you all give him the reactions he wants. He wouldn't say dictator on day 1 or even do the Gulf of America thing but he is giving back all the 95% or whatever negative coverage and names calling and Hitler this and that. Even trolling Zalensky after he gets all bent out of shape when Trump is doing exactly what you do. Take them separate and Russia goes first. No way it works nor would anyone who knows do it another way. You think they could all sit at a table right away. That would be a shit show.

Guess what Russia gonna get something. No way a deal gets done where Russia gets nothing. It is how the world works. Even Isreal releases more hostages than Hamas has to and some bad terrorist dudes. Not they won't stop wanting all Jews dead and they did October 7th so they get the short end isn't how it works in the real world. They don't just give up and take their punishment for being bad.
 
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