Trump supporters, how do you square this?

Hay Man said:
Do billionaires really care about the little guy when they continue to collect more and more money?

Besides, six bankruptcies by someone worth that much is pretty insane. How does that make him a good businessman if he had that many? Are there a lot of billionaires that have had bankruptcies???
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Profiling people into categories can work to a certain extent. But it's also pointless in the sense that there are always exceptions. In general, I would assume billionaires don't care about the little guy. But I don't know a single one personally so I have no idea who the exceptions to that rule are.

Saying "how does six bankruptcies make someone a good businessman" would be like saying "how does Caitlin Clark being bad at defense make her a great basketball player". The entire picture if his business life has been wildly successful overall. As far as how his number of bankruptcies compare to other billionaires, I'm not sure on that. Some billionaires might have made their entire fortune from one business. Others might have started 100 of them. Unless you just hate Trump, you would need more data points to decide how bad his six bankruptcies are.
 
Hay Man said:
"Believing that a small group of billionaires are suddenly working tirelessly for the benefit of the working class really does require a spectacular level of stupid..." Brevard Corruption Watch
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So if some random dude comes up with a new invention that makes him a billionaire, does he instantly become a bad guy? Isn't profiling supposed to be a bad thing to do?
 
PCHawk said:
I agree with most of this. I'm not sure if you are insinuating I said our government needs to run like a for profit business, or just adding to the conversation. To be clear, I didn't say that. I agree with you mostly here.

Also, I keep seeing Trump already decided to cut taxes for the ultra rich and no one else. Is that really a thing or are people just assuming? I even googled it the other day to try to see his new tax plan but didn't find anything on it.
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Thanks. I'm just adding my thoughts about how government is similar to, and different from, a regular business.

A business can just remove things it deems to be costly or unprofitable, whereas a government might make some massive mistakes if they do that. I see potential in this happening in the current administration right now.

My brother may have to look for a new job, as he writes grants. Some of those grants may be very useful to people and society as a whole.

I also know a researcher in Autism. Brilliant person. She's been fired. There may be downstream consequences of the slash and burn technique that aren't understood yet.

As a political moderate, I'm very much in favor of looking at waste and improving efficiency. I just take issue with how it's currently being done, and by the people doing it (they don't know as much as they think they do).
 
HuckFinn said:
Want to discover a treasure trove of waste, fraud, and lawlessness? Start with the great examples in the private sector, USA.
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Starting with Health Care.

Yes. There is fraud and waste within the Medicare and Medicaid programs - usually by individuals and corporations outside the program taking advantage of the system.
But the cost of that fraud and waste is no where near the amount of $ extracted from the health delivery system by the business models of private health care corporations.
From drug prices to denials of care, the private health care system has one objective - maximize profit at any cost. With no regard for the best interests of the people.
 
PCHawk said:
But like it or not, the money end of our government needs to be run like a business. You say if we cut too much people can die. That's true. But it's also true if we don't cut enough, people could die. Imagine a world where China and/or Russia can do whatever they want, wherever they want because the USA went bankrupt.

If a married couple spend wrecklessly for a decade, eventually they have to make cuts they don't want to make or feel like they can't live without. That's where we are. If a couple could afford to give 20k per year to charity, but instead give 200k per year, eventually they have to stop and can't even give the 20k anymore. At least until they get back on their feet. We need to get back on our feet as a country. Part of me can't believe some people aren't smart enough to see that. But then I think about people I know in my life that are completely irresponsible with money. Some people just can't grasp financing for whatever reason.
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I understand that logic, but mine as I said in other posts is the fact they're making such drastic changes so fast I don't think they've had the time to really look into what they're doing. Point being laying off the nuclear weapon workers. There's place's where cuts can/can't be made, and to be honest I think they're so caught up in the overhaul of the government as we know it, that they're overlooking or don't care what they're cutting.

We can talk about the USA going bankrupt, but we could also say that there's a good chance the cost of Trump's Superbowl, Daytona 500, and vacations cost taxpayers a hell of a lot more then a lot of the programs that are being cut. Our government has an obligation to the citizen's of this country, so while it may need to run like a business, there's other line items that are still operating the same as they've always run that, IMO should be minimized before the health and wellbeing of those individuals that should be the priority.
 
Hay Man said:
So we want the guy who has bankrupted SIX businesses to be in charge of our money? Interesting strategy
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Beat me to it and like a business it seems pretty clear to me that the CEO's are going to be taking care of themselves and their investors at the expense of the lower level employees.
 
SCHawkeye2 said:
Starting with Health Care.

Yes. There is fraud and waste within the Medicare and Medicaid programs - usually by individuals and corporations outside the program taking advantage of the system.
But the cost of that fraud and waste is no where near the amount of $ extracted from the health delivery system by the business models of private health care corporations.
From drug prices to denials of care, the private health care system has one objective - maximize profit at any cost. With no regard for the best interests of the people.
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"In 2023, HHS Inspector General found potentially $7.5 billions in overpayments to UHC for billing practices."

Anyone surprised Musk and Trump are getting rid of these Inspector Generals uncovering this fraud.

 
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