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[PhotoHawk]

Someone please explain what the hell the difference is between the 2 and the 3. They both are not the point so what difference does it make? Side of the floor? Who cares. Marble is not a point guard and right now not really good at hitting the 3 but he can on occasion.

Not sure if this helps as it is very generic and does not always apply (especially with IA current roster) but here you go.

Offensively
The 1 generally would shoot from the top of the key, the 2 from either wing, and the 3 tends to run the baseline so 2 & 3 will get shots from either side of the floor depending on when they can work themselves open. Your 2 is often considered to be "the zone buster" or the guy who can keep a defense honest with his ability to drill the long-range jumper while a 3 is typically more of a slasher who prefers to put the ball on the floor and take it to the hoop.

Defensively
On the press, the 4 (sometimes the 5) is on the ball with the better shot-blocker of the two typically covering the back of the press while 1 & 2 pick up the opposing guards and either trap right away with the 4 or funnel the opponent toward the sideline so your 3 can jump over and attempt a 3/4 court trap. If the press is broken then everyone falls back into man and the 1 almost always goes head up with opposing point guard while the 3 is assigned to be the lock-down defender and takes either the opponents 2 or 3 depending on which is the better scorer as you don't want your shooter (2 man) to be too tired from chasing his man all over on defense that he no longer has the legs required to make his own jumper on offense. If you drop back into zone vs man, then the 1 & 2 are responsible for the top of a 2-3 zone while your 3 drops down alongside the 4 & 5 to help cover the opposing posts and/or baseline shooter on his side.

 

[CGHawk]

Marble is a 2White is a 3

Marble is not a shooting guard - he's as wing as a wing can get. Josh is a 2.White is a 3/4.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I was always under the impression that both the 2 and 3 spot were considered "wings"
2=SG
3=SF

or maybe I'm just not understanding clearly.

Thanks in advance.

 

[hawks365]

If you think Marble is a 2 then you're an idiot. I'm sorry, but it's blatantly obvious that Oglesby should be there and the only other person getting minutes there should be Gatens. Marble is 3 by nature and a 1 this year out of necessity.

 

[herkyattack]

In most systems there is no difference between the 2 or 3 in what their jobs are on the court. The majority of the time the "3" is taller, longer, and maybe a little more athletic.

 

[DFaceHawkeye]

This discussion of the difference between a 2 and a 3 is irrelevant with out also discussing the system in which they are working. In some systems, simple motion systems or say Altman's high-post offense, the 2 and 3 are virtually indistinguishable. However, in a system such as what Bruce Pearl ran at Tennessee (a 2-3 set/Flex), the 3 is a completely different type of player than the 2.

In my opinion, with what the 3 and 2 are asked to do in Fran's system, they are different player types. Marble is not a 2.

 

[SirJamaLot]

Again don't get too caught up in numbers:

chris paul, Deron williams, ricky rubio, jason kidd true #1
Kobe bryant, Dewayne Wade true #2 but plays a lot of 1 for his scoring off the dribble
Shawn marion small forward, grant hill wing but more of a small forward Lamar odom small forward but has to play some power forward

#4 power forward kevin love but has to play some center also, paul gasol but has to play some 5 also


the timber wolves are experimenting with playing two point guards at the same time Ricky rubio and JJ barea


times have changed most college and pro teams try to get their best five on the floor regardless of true positions

Marble is a true small forward #3 wing who has to play point and off guard when needed

True #5 dwight howard,

 

[storminspank]

Some really good discussion in here, I am off-site today so I can't hang to talk.

Long and short of it, the 2 is a the SG position. Devyn Marble is not a shooting guard.
Dev is a SF/wing/swingman - whatever you want to call it, but he's not a true 2.

This is the point I am making. If you want to see a true 2 - you looking a Josh Oglesby, that's what a 2 looks like. Same with Matt Gatens - a 2 (but does play some 3).

 

[storminspank]

Here this might help.
Basketball positions - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I know it's wikipedia, but I don't have the to explain the difference. Read the description of a 2 vs. a 3 and you will see why Dev is a 3, not a 2 almost immediately.

Shooting guard

Main article: Shooting guard
The shooting guard, also known as the "2", is usually the team's best shooter, and typically is able to consistently hit long range shots (of 20 feet or more). Besides being able to shoot the ball, shooting guards tend to have good ball-handling skills and the ability to drive the ball to the net, often creating their own shots off the dribble. A versatile shooting guard will have good passing skills, allowing them to assume point guard responsibilities.[2] Typical NBA shooting guards are 6 feet 3 inches (1.91 m) to 6 feet 7 inches (2.01 m). However, there are exceptions. For instance, Allen Iverson who plays shooting guard, is only 6 feet (1.83 m) tall and therefore is often required to play point guard.
Kobe Bryant, Dwyane Wade, Manu Ginobili, Brandon Roy, Monta Ellis, and Andre Iguodala are current examples of typical shooting guards in the NBA. Other notable examples include Michael Jordan, Reggie Miller, Richard Hamilton, Ray Allen, Vince Carter, and Jerry West. Shooting guards are typically versatile enough to play small forward and vice versa, in a role called swingman or wing. This is due to the relatively similar playing styles and characteristics, with the only difference being relative size, as small forwards tend to be a little bigger.
[edit] Frontcourt (forwards and center)

[edit] Small forward

Main article: Small forward
The small forward, also known as the "3", is typically somewhat shorter, quicker and leaner than power forwards and centers. Thus, in the NBA, small forwards range from 6 feet 6 inches (1.96 m) to 6 feet 11 inches (2.11 m). The small forward position is considered to be perhaps the most versatile of the main five basketball positions, due to the nature of its role, which is sometimes similar to that of a power forward, and other times more resembles the role of a shooting guard. The small forward and shooting guard positions are often interchangeable.
Small forwards have a variety of weapons, such as quickness and strength inside. One common thread between all kinds of small forwards is an ability to "get to the line" and draw fouls by aggressively attempting post-up plays, lay-ups, or slam dunks. As such, accurate foul shooting is a common skill for small forwards, many of whom record a large portion of their points from the foul line. Small forwards should be able to do a little bit of everything on the court, typically playing roles such as swingmen but also as point forwards and defensive specialists.[3] Examples include LeBron James, Carmelo Anthony, Paul Pierce, Hedo Türkoğlu, and Kevin Durant. Larry Bird and Scottie Pippen are examples of earlier players in the league's history for this position.

 

[olivecourt]

One of the things that is exciting about next year is that we will actually have guys playing at their "true" positions. Yes, once you get guys out on the floor, you have combo guys, tweeners, etc., and that's fine. But it's nice to at least have a default setting of guys who are right for their position on the offensive and defensive end.

1- Gesell
2- Oglesby
3- Marble
4- Basabe/White
5- Woodbury

That actually looks like a basketball team. It has been a while since Iowa could say that.

 

[EddyP]

This discussion of the difference between a 2 and a 3 is irrelevant with out also discussing the system in which they are working. In some systems, simple motion systems or say Altman's high-post offense, the 2 and 3 are virtually indistinguishable. However, in a system such as what Bruce Pearl ran at Tennessee (a 2-3 set/Flex), the 3 is a completely different type of player than the 2.

In my opinion, with what the 3 and 2 are asked to do in Fran's system, they are different player types. Marble is not a 2.

Correct, in some offenses it matters and others it doesn't. Basically the 3 is taller with the ability to go inside whereas you wouldn't want a 2 to get it inside. If Gatens and Olgelsby are in the game at the same time you would basically have two 2's and no 3 so it wouldn't matter which was which.

 

[hawkIhoops]

Agree that Marble is not a 2. He is exponentially better inside the arc than outside and is better on the move with the ball than spotting up. He is knocking down his FT's, which is a huge for a guy who will get to the line a lot. Unfortunately Brommer hasn't shown the same progress.

 

[RocknRollface]

Some really good discussion in here, I am off-site today so I can't hang to talk.

Long and short of it, the 2 is a the SG position. Devyn Marble is not a shooting guard.
Dev is a SF/wing/swingman - whatever you want to call it, but he's not a true 2.

This is the point I am making. If you want to see a true 2 - you looking a Josh Oglesby, that's what a 2 looks like. Same with Matt Gatens - a 2 (but does play some 3).

Again there are just as many "2s" who rely first and sometimes almost exclusively on getting to the rim not jump shooting. Early on Micheal Jordan was a poor jump shooter as a two and still dominated the NBA.

Now I agree that if Ogelsby and Marble are both on the court together with Cartwright than its obviously an easy one two three situation but if you take out Josh and have say Eric May in there with Cartwright and Marble they are interchangeable. And if you have Arron White in there with Cartwright and Marble then Marble is the two.

In the end it doesn't matter because Marble is going to do the same exact thing whether at the two or three which is putting the ball on the floor and going towards the rim.

There are differences in the plays they would run for Gatens, off ball screens ect, at the two rather than Marble but they can both be "twos" and be different types of players.

 

[RocknRollface]

One of the things that is exciting about next year is that we will actually have guys playing at their "true" positions. Yes, once you get guys out on the floor, you have combo guys, tweeners, etc., and that's fine. But it's nice to at least have a default setting of guys who are right for their position on the offensive and defensive end.

1- Gesell
2- Oglesby
3- Marble
4- Basabe/White
5- Woodbury

That actually looks like a basketball team. It has been a while since Iowa could say that.

Its sure does look allot better than the classic Lick lineup of one short guy,three more who are 6'4 and one who is maybe 6'7.