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storminspank said:
I've heard Kenyon say Dev is a wing.

Really? Fran? Weird, last time I mentioned anything to Fran he said he thought Devyn natural position was the wing. But I guess you must have heard differently when you were talking to him.
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Careful stormin...Herby likes to argue...you may be locked in for the long haul now...
 
try liostening to a post game interview once in a while
i listen to most of them and he has never called Marble a wing in those
 
HawkeyeShane said:
storminspank said:
I've heard Kenyon say Dev is a wing.Really? Fran? Weird, last time I mentioned anything to Fran he said he thought Devyn natural position was the wing. But I guess you must have heard differently when you were talking to him.
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Careful stormin...Herby likes to argue...you may be locked in for the long haul now...
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Its like beating you're head into a wall. Except you lose more brain cells arguing with him.
 
herbyhawk said:
try liostening to a post game interview once in a while
i listen to most of them and he has never called Marble a wing in those
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I listen to them all and read every transcript, I am in attendance several during the season (psst - even filmed a couple, ya know?)... but again... you must be right... somehow...

I guess when Fran told me that he was lying then, if you really truly believe what you are saying.

Shovel?
 
storminspank said:
Marble is not a shooting guard - he's as wing as a wing can get. Josh is a 2.
White is a 3/4.
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I think people get too hung up on positions. You have pg/combo guards, wing players, tweener forwards, and then true posts.

Cartright is the only true point/combo guard. Our recruiting class has 2 maybe 3 guys you'd call point/combo guards. Marble, Gatens, Ogelsby, May are wings (with very different skill sets).

White/McCabe are tweeners, depending on a coach's philosophy can play 3/4. I prefer them both at the 4 because I'd rather have perimeter players with superior lateral quickness and ball-handling. That said I'd rather have White playing a wing position than McCabe.

Basabe, Gabe O, Brommer, Archie are pure post players.
 
herbyhawk said:
also you might be the HN talent evaluator
but when people like Bobby Hansen, Kenyon Murray and Fran plus Andrew Francis call him a 2 i will take their word for it
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Guys don't get hung up on numbers. McCabe has to play center and power forward, Marble has to play point, off guard (2) and small forward, next yr I could see Fran going with a 3 guard starting lineup of Gessel, Marble, and Ogelsby, with all 3 capable of playing point and wing.
 
herbyhawk said:
why do you hate the idea of Marble being a 2
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I don't hate the idea, but the 2 is his third best spot right now, behind the 3 and the 1. Devyn is not a shooting guard. He's a G/F who is playing point. The reason Marble isn't a shooting guard is because he is not a very good shooter yet at this stage of his career. Could he be a 2 by his senior year? Quite possibly. Right now he gets to the rack well, hits the 12-14 footers, can hit the floater, getting better at distributing the ball too.

As I stated last summer/fall (and continue to do), I firmly believe Marble will be the best player out of this class when he is a senior. I can see Basabe having the better career and Zach will be solid, but Marble will be the star when he is a senior. I think some people are finally coming around to that being a possibility.
 
Anyone who has played all postitions on the floor should hate Marble being called a 2. He's not a natural shooter, which is what a 2 gaurds' primary job is. 2=shooting guard. Marble is not that, he's a slasher/attacking type player who can score. Thats the definition of a 3 gaurd or small forward.
 
Someone please explain what the hell the difference is between the 2 and the 3. They both are not the point so what difference does it make? Side of the floor? Who cares. Marble is not a point guard and right now not really good at hitting the 3 but he can on occasion.
 
EddyP said:
Someone please explain what the hell the difference is between the 2 and the 3. They both are not the point so what difference does it make? Side of the floor? Who cares. Marble is not a point guard and right now not really good at hitting the 3 but he can on occasion.
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Small forwards are typically not as good of shooters as a shooting guard (hence the names). Shooting guards shoot. Small forwards are typically just that: forwards who are too small to be a power forward. They don't typically have the shooting prowess and ball handling skills of a guard (sometimes more streaky as shooters), but aren't powerful enough to play down low consistently (though most can do that for stretches). This is why they are also commonly referred to as "swingmen".

Marble is really a tweener at any of his positions. He's not a guy that will hang down low, at least not right now. But he also isn't a great shooter. He's got good handles, though.

I think he's got the ability to possibly be a 2 when he's a senior. But right now, he doesn't quite fit in that mold. But then again, he doesn't really fit ANY mold at the moment.
 
tm3308 said:
Small forwards are typically not as good of shooters as a shooting guard (hence the names). Shooting guards shoot. Small forwards are typically just that: forwards who are too small to be a power forward. They don't typically have the shooting prowess and ball handling skills of a guard (sometimes more streaky as shooters), but aren't powerful enough to play down low consistently (though most can do that for stretches). This is why they are also commonly referred to as "swingmen".

Marble is really a tweener at any of his positions. He's not a guy that will hang down low, at least not right now. But he also isn't a great shooter. He's got good handles, though.

I think he's got the ability to possibly be a 2 when he's a senior. But right now, he doesn't quite fit in that mold. But then again, he doesn't really fit ANY mold at the moment.
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You didn't answer my question about the difference between a 2 and a 3. But thanks for the analysis. So you would prefer Marble to play on the left side of the floor rather than the right? Yeah, totally agree.:rolleyes:
 
storminspank said:
I've heard Kenyon say Dev is a wing.

Really? Fran? Weird, last time I mentioned anything to Fran he said he thought Devyn natural position was the wing. But I guess you must have heard differently when you were talking to him.
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What in your view is the difference between a "wing" and a off guard in what their actual role is on the court?

I know people think 2s are supposed to be outside shooters first and foremost but there are hundreds and probably thousands of examples to the contrary. 3s and even 4s can be spot up shooters while you can be a very average long distance shooter and still be great at the 2. Dwayne Wade is a prime example, young Micheal Jordan is another.

To me the titles are irrelevant. I don't think Marble is actually going to do anything differently on the court whether he is designated as a 2 or 3.
 
tm3308 said:
Small forwards are typically not as good of shooters as a shooting guard (hence the names). Shooting guards shoot. Small forwards are typically just that: forwards who are too small to be a power forward. They don't typically have the shooting prowess and ball handling skills of a guard (sometimes more streaky as shooters), but aren't powerful enough to play down low consistently (though most can do that for stretches). This is why they are also commonly referred to as "swingmen".

Marble is really a tweener at any of his positions. He's not a guy that will hang down low, at least not right now. But he also isn't a great shooter. He's got good handles, though.

I think he's got the ability to possibly be a 2 when he's a senior. But right now, he doesn't quite fit in that mold. But then again, he doesn't really fit ANY mold at the moment.
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I disagree. Titles are irrelevant. A players game is what it is.

There are hundreds of examples of great shooting small forwards, the best shooter ever was a small forward, Larry Bird, but there are also great ball handling small forwards who are average\poor shooters.

There are also plenty of examples of shooting guards whos entire game revolves around getting to the rim off the dribble and are average at best jump shooters. Then there are shooting guards who are not good ball handlers at all and rely on screens to get jumpers off.

Ideally you want your 1, 2, and 3, to all be great shooters and ball handlers.

Generally the real difference between the 2, 3 is that the one designated as a three is almost always the taller of the two.
 
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