No I wouldn't. Now you're just making stuff up which makes you look stupid. At least Dean knows what he's talking about for the most part
Tracking Iowa's RPI, KenPom, & Sagarin
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No I wouldn't. Now you're just making stuff up which makes you look stupid. At least Dean knows what he's talking about for the most part
I do since we were giving up that 90-100 against bad teams and now we are giving up 68 and 73 to bad teams. We were giving up more against bad teams at the beginning of the year than we are against good teams now.
Yea you would if that's the only stat you could find that said Bohannon sucked. You're down to using 2 pt percentage stats, so why is it so hard to imagine you would use assists if you could.
Giving up 100 points to Memphis on a neutral floor who is #62 in AdjO isn't much different than giving up 73 points at home to North Dakota who's #205 in my opinion
I would never say someone who averages 2 points a game is better than someone who averages 20 points a game. Again, you're making yourself look stupid
HawkGold
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It would take a review of the entire situation to make that decision. Ever played in a game where 1 guy takes most of the shots without running the offense?
I've never said someone who averages 2 ppg is better than someone who averages 20 ppg and never would no matter what the situation is. PC is just trying to spin stuff to fit his narratives by saying assists numbers don't really matter because of "unimpressive assists" and KenPom is bogus and when I call him out on it he just makes stuff up
Spin stuff? I was saying you use stats in extremely stupid ways to try to prove something that everyone knows is false.
I think you already know this but with you I can't be sure so I'll spell it out. I didn't quote an old post of yours. I made up an example to show how badly you misuse stats.
How do I use stats in stupid ways?
WindsorHawk
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I watched Iowa at the beginning of the season. I watched Iowa the last several games. They are better now than they were then IMO. I don't need to look at any stats to draw this conclusion. And I see lots of room for significant improvement between now and the end of the season...expect to see noticeable improvement.
Edit - And Fran uses a lot of guys and rotations during the non conference season. By the time conference play starts he has a better feel for his players, rotations, etc. This contributes to the team's improved play now and moving forward IMO.
Edit - And Fran uses a lot of guys and rotations during the non conference season. By the time conference play starts he has a better feel for his players, rotations, etc. This contributes to the team's improved play now and moving forward IMO.
I don't have all day to answer that. You will probably respond to Windsor by saying we still suck and show him what our AdjD stat is right now.
Exactly. You can't even come up with one example of me misusing a stat because I haven't. You don't like defensive stats but that's not mean I'm misusing them.
I gave one example. You take a stat that shows the entire year's resume on it to prove that we are not playing better now. You've done that a lot.
I said our AdjD hasn't really been improving lately. That's not misusing a stat at all, especially considering our two most recent games we played poor defensively.
deanvogs
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Completely ignoring Jordan's PPG when you claimed before that Mikes 8 PPG made him a significant offensive contributor. Ignoring Jordan's assist numbers, while trying to say that Mike was an elite assist guy and only looking at one year of assist from Mike instead of his whole career. Clinging to Jordan's 2 pt FG% while ignoring the above mentioned PPG and APG.
Those are a few quick examples. Also you cling to Kenpom, but I'd bet the adjusted D stats say we have improved since Dec 4th....but Now you say it is the same giving up 100 to Memphis as it is 73 to North Dakota, and we aren't better?????
You selective us the stats when they agree with your opinion all the time, it is what you do.
NikeHawk21
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For instance in your quest to prove that Jordan sucks you first used Offensive rating stat, until Jordan started playing well and improved his O rating.
Then you started using Jordan's horrid 2p% number to prove he sucks. Even though:
A) any one who knows a lick about basketball knows that number was bound to improve (the kid had only played a few games).
B) He doesn't shoot many 2pt shots (less than 3 a game)
C) You're an advanced stat guy. Why would an advanced stat guy being using 2p%. Well I suspect it was to try to spin something.
When that all subsides you'll settle with Jordan sucks at D and Iowa sucks.
So that's one example, plenty of others. I totally expect you to pick one tiny piece of this post and respond to it to try to get me to respond. If you do that just know I won't respond.
I'm not ignoring Bohannon's PPG or assist numbers at all even though PC mentioned they are flawed, especially the assists. I wasn't clinging to his 2 pt FG%, I brought it up when people said he was good at finishing at the rim when he isn't.
A) Some people improve, some people regress, some people hit a freshman wall
B) People were saying Bohannon was better at finishing in the lane than Mike which just isn't try.
C) See above
I never said we suck, we are a bad defensive team which is obvious but we've became a lot more efficient offensively in the last month
deanvogs
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We are better defensively than we were on Dec 4th. Would you agree with this statement? Would you agree with it if Kenpom stats showed that our adjust D rating is better now than it was on dec 4th?
