Time to Kick Penn St out of the league....

What an ignorant comment Duff. That type of crap has no business being posted. Think twice or maybe three times before you post something so stupid.

I don't have any sympathy for Joe Paterno. Zero. I understand he brought information to his superiors, but the second he realized they were doing nothing about it he had an obligation to step up and say "What the hell is going on here? I just told you guys this grown man was having anal sex with a 10 year old boy in our showers! Why are we not notifying the police?". He is Joe Paterno. Had he stepped up they would have listened, but he chose not to push the issue. By doing that, he may have allowed it to continue happening to other boys.

I'm sorry but I don't agree with the whole "Joe did what he was supposed to do" argument. Bottom line is he knew kids were being sexually assaulted on his school's property and in his athletic buildings, and he didn't put an end to it like he could have. That's a major problem with the institution, and the institution represents the Big Ten. Having them in our conference isn't ever going to be something to be proud of anymore.
 
cmhawks99 said:
So poetic justice you are saying....serious question?
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i'm saying his walls crumbled down once he saw how this was going to play out. really, a guy like joe paterno letting this go on for years and years? how else do you explain it? he didn't no? of course he knew and once he let it go on (to only protect him and the school) he couldn't go back because it was now on him, so he covered it up the whole time.
 
DP5555 said:
What an ignorant comment Duff. That type of crap has no business being posted. Think twice or maybe three times before you post something so stupid.

I don't have any sympathy for Joe Paterno. Zero. I understand he brought information to his superiors, but the second he realized they were doing nothing about it he had an obligation to step up and say "What the hell is going on here? I just told you guys this grown man was having anal sex with a 10 year old boy in our showers! Why are we not notifying the police?". He is Joe Paterno. Had he stepped up they would have listened, but he chose not to push the issue. By doing that, he may have allowed it to continue happening to other boys.

I'm sorry but I don't agree with the whole "Joe did what he was supposed to do" argument. Bottom line is he knew kids were being sexually assaulted on his school's property and in his athletic buildings, and he didn't put an end to it like he could have. That's a major problem with the institution, and the institution represents the Big Ten. Having them in our conference isn't ever going to be something to be proud of anymore.
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Well said. It's unfortunate that Paterno ever had to deal with this stuff, but it happened, and he dropped the ball like all the rest of the scum at PSU. It should have been an easy call for someone who was supposedly so virtuous as Paterno. His inaction was inexcusable, and I don't think it's unfair that his legend is now tarnished.
 
Keep in mind life has a way of turning things around on the overtly critical. Based on what we are finding out, we truly don’t know what would have or should have happened had Joe called the head of Police. But what we do know is many people who are paid solely to protect did not live up to their end of the bargain….so I say this…..”Is State College a lot different than Iowa City…..?”

Since we all know the answer is not likley...then the challenge is too do better yourselves in all capacities. When you see wrong stand up and say something. It doesn’t have to be pedophilia. Plenty of bad stuff going on out there and plenty of folks turning a blind eye. So when we get the chance to point the finger at a public figure we can sure do that, but how will we do when we see someone down the street wronged and it might be painful getting involved?

I saw where McQueary’s dad apparently told him to get out of there immediately….Odd for sure, but if you think about it…his dad didn’t want him anywhere near a situation like that for fear he is implicated in anyway. That’s self-preservation and it is sad….its also how the masses typically think….”how does this impact me??!” But from 5 miles away or 50 or 500 we see clearly what they should have done. But oddly I read in the paper all the time about good people “not doing what they should have done”

Why is that………………yet to the man every poster on here is sure what should have been done or what they would have done…..is it because everyone on here is more righteous, more pious…braver, stronger, more courageous….?! Why would have we done exactly what’s right, when so many others throughout history continue to fail?

Why………?!?!
 
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DwayneTwill said:
Well said. It's unfortunate that Paterno ever had to deal with this stuff, but it happened, and he dropped the ball like all the rest of the scum at PSU. It should have been an easy call for someone who was supposedly so virtuous as Paterno. His inaction was inexcusable, and I don't think it's unfair that his legend is now tarnished.
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Nor do I and I'll wager nor did he in the end.....If I remember correctly he said pretty pointedly he wished he'd done more. He was pretty clear he was fair game, but he was like that.
 
Mike McQueary's testimony attacks Jerry Sandusky while repairing his own reputation - Yahoo! Sports



......Could have and should have.

"Physically (I) didn't remove the young boy from the shower or go and punch Jerry out," McQueary acknowledged during his testimony, and you could all but hear the regret in his voice.

Hindsight isn't just 20/20, it can be projected onto others, as in everyone thinking that if they too were in that position, they would've acted differently.

No one knows whether they would, though. Not for sure.........


The above is a sad but true reality....no one knows. Im not a Dan Wetzel fan but he at least says it like it is….nobody knows what they would have done.
 
Hawkeye27 said:
This is terribly untrue. The media has made it seem that he did not do something, and some outlets have told what really happened. Paterno did not simply sit there and do nothing. He reported it to his higher- ups. I think alot of people being forced into that situation would do the same. Paterno probably heard the story McQueary told him and was in shock that a person that he knew, a coworker who he never would have expected to be capable of doing such acts, and was in utter shock and disbelief.

He told his bosses exactly what McQueary told them. He didn't wanna call the police because, like most people you would inform your higher-ups before taking such a drastic measure to keep them informed. His superiors told him, not to worry they would take care of it. And that is what Paterno thought was happening, an investigation, or his higherups were taking care of the problem.

I understand Paterno's actions. He didn't see anything and was told, and wanted to inform his higherups, especially with someone he knew and could not believe would do that, and didn't wanna taint his reputation on something that may have been seen in error.

I am most mad at McQueary, he say it first hand. He should have called the police and told his superiors. He actually saw it...
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Regardless of how Joe Paterno chose to act initially, who he told, or what he thought may be happening behind the scenes, eventually it was clear to him and everyone else who knew that nothing was being done. At that point he and everyone else are all equally guilty. They all looked the other way and let it slide. All of them.
 
cmhawks99 said:
Keep in mind life has a way of turning things around on the overtly critical. Based on what we are finding out, we truly don’t know what would have or should have happened had Joe called the head of Police. But what we do know is many people who are paid solely to protect did not live up to their end of the bargain….so I say this…..â€Is State College a lot different than Iowa City…..?â€

Since we all know the answer is not likley...then the challenge is too do better yourselves in all capacities. When you see wrong stand up and say something. It doesn’t have to be pedophilia. Plenty of bad stuff going on out there and plenty of folks turning a blind eye. So when we get the chance to point the finger at a public figure we can sure do that, but how will we do when we see someone down the street wronged and it might be painful getting involved?

I saw where McQueary’s dad apparently told him to get out of there immediately….Odd for sure, but if you think about it…his dad didn’t want him anywhere near a situation like that for fear he is implicated in anyway. That’s self-preservation and it is sad….its also how the masses typically think….â€how does this impact me??!†But from 5 miles away or 50 or 500 we see clearly what they should have done. But oddly I read in the paper all the time about good people “not doing what they should have doneâ€

Why is that………………yet to the man every poster on here is sure what should have been done or what they would have done…..is it because everyone on here is more righteous, more pious…braver, stronger, more courageous….?! Why would have we done exactly what’s right, when so many others throughout history continue to fail?
Why………?!?!
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This sort of reminds me of a somewhat recent story I read. In brief: There was a women driving down an interstate somewhere in Iowa. She noticed smoke rising from an area near a trailer park but saw that no sirens or flashing lights seemed to be in attendence so she exited the interstate and followed the smoke. When she got there she found a trailer on fire with two small children trapped inside. She saved their lives because she took the initative and did not assume, like everyone else apparently, that someone closer to the situation was dealing with the problem. How many of us would have done what she did? If I'm honest with myself I would have to admitt that if I'm rolling down the interstate at 75 and I see smoke in the distance I probably wouldn't have stopped (I would now). I see some parallels between this story and the Penn St debacle with one notable exception, lots of people saw the smoke but no one had the balls or clarity of thought to go and pull the kids out of the fire.

With regards to Duff's post: I think he makes a point. It's kind of hard not to see that there is something wrong with the culture surrounding our football program. Do you think that there is no smoke or do you simply choose not to see it?
 
latrans said:
This sort of reminds me of a somewhat recent story I read. In brief: There was a women driving down an interstate somewhere in Iowa. She noticed smoke rising from an area near a trailer park but saw that no sirens or flashing lights seemed to be in attendence so she exited the interstate and followed the smoke. When she got there she found a trailer on fire with two small children trapped inside. She saved their lives because she took the initative and did not assume, like everyone else apparently, that someone closer to the situation was dealing with the problem. How many of us would have done what she did? If I'm honest with myself I would have to admitt that if I'm rolling down the interstate at 75 and I see smoke in the distance I probably wouldn't have stopped (I would now). I see some parallels between this story and the Penn St debacle with one notable exception, lots of people saw the smoke but no one had the balls or clarity of thought to go and pull the kids out of the fire.

With regards to Duff's post: I think he makes a point. It's kind of hard not to see that there is something wrong with the culture surrounding our football program. Do you think that there is no smoke or do you simply choose not to see it?
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Very apropos......and exactly what I was talking about.
 
"With regards to Duff's post: I think he makes a point. It's kind of hard not to see that there is something wrong with the culture surrounding our football program. Do you think that there is no smoke or do you simply choose not to see it?[/QUOTE]"

I get what point he's trying to make. The problem I have with it is it is completely irrelevant and unnecessary. Comparing a couple isolated incidents involving Iowa players and possible sexual harassment charges to the situation at Penn State is absurd. Different teams all over the country have players who make horrible decisions.

When you combine alcohol and women throwing themselves at you that is going to happen. Now I'll admit Iowa has had way to many off the field issues, but comparing these issues to what went on at PSU involving a grown man and children over a period of several decades is completely ridiculous. Football players do represent the University, but they don't represent the University the same way coaches and administrators do. The problem at PSU was very much an administrative problem. Now please realize I'm not saying I'm okay with an Iowa player going out and fondling a girl at the bar. However, most players are young and naive. Some of them are going to make stupid decisions.

On the other hand, coaches and administrators are supposed to be the role models. The role models at PSU were responsible for the cover up of children being raped. Now I totally understand what Duff was getting at, I just thought it was in very poor taste and was completely unnecessary. There's over one hundred football players at Iowa. Generalizing them as rapists simply because one of their teammates made a stupid decision isn't even remotely fair.
 
DP5555 said:
"With regards to Duff's post: I think he makes a point. It's kind of hard not to see that there is something wrong with the culture surrounding our football program. Do you think that there is no smoke or do you simply choose not to see it?
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That’s certainly fair but let’s go further with this…..some seem perfectly willing to stop at PSU here. Which makes me wonder why…..why stop with Joe Pa or administration. They certainly weren’t alone in their complicity. It seems to me at least, that they are the biggest target out of convenience or because they are a big institution. But in reality this thing has the finger prints of multiple tiers of our society legal and laymen alike, all of which could have stepped in at any time.

I feel like we’ve chose the biggest target, “PSU” because that’s a big entity we can all get behind “hating” on. I want to know why the high school connections and charitable connections and the friends and relatives and associates that saw something but still didn’t act….why do they get pushed to the side?! And forgive my abruptness but in my opinion its because “they” are us….they aren’t a big enuff target and we associate with them. PSU on the other hand, their big and bad and are getting what they deserve! But in reality all that needed to happen for this to stop is for one person (out of what’s looking like 100’s of people) to make a big enuff stink.

How about his wife…..she lived with him for what 40 years…..

Do you get what I’m saying here…..we want to crucify Joe Pa and PSU, but they are more people just like you and me and 100’s of others out there in PA or other points of the stratosphere who did nothing and have done nothing in similar circumstances. We all love a scapegoat, but where were the commoners….what did they do….NOTHING, that’s what!
 
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There is zero similarities between some of the issues Iowa has had over the years versus the Sandusky/Penn State scandal. Sandusky was sodomizing little boys and Penn State allowed it to happen. How is this in any way shape or form similar to someone getting raped at Iowa? Are you suggesting for a minute that people at Iowa has covered up for someone like a rapist and looked the other way when it happened? You mean we give these kind of people access to our facilities and allow this kind of behavior to happen on campus? Please give me an example of where the University has ever turned the other way when someone committed a sick crime such as this one.
 
ssckelley said:
There is zero similarities between some of the issues Iowa has had over the years versus the Sandusky/Penn State scandal. Sandusky was sodomizing little boys and Penn State allowed it to happen. How is this in any way shape or form similar to someone getting raped at Iowa? Are you suggesting for a minute that people at Iowa has covered up for someone like a rapist and looked the other way when it happened? You mean we give these kind of people access to our facilities and allow this kind of behavior to happen on campus? Please give me an example of where the University has ever turned the other way when someone committed a sick crime such as this one.
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The U may not have turned a blind eye but they did enable Pierre Pierce to strike again.
 
ssckelley said:
There is zero similarities between some of the issues Iowa has had over the years versus the Sandusky/Penn State scandal. Sandusky was sodomizing little boys and Penn State allowed it to happen. How is this in any way shape or form similar to someone getting raped at Iowa? Are you suggesting for a minute that people at Iowa has covered up for someone like a rapist and looked the other way when it happened? You mean we give these kind of people access to our facilities and allow this kind of behavior to happen on campus? Please give me an example of where the University has ever turned the other way when someone committed a sick crime such as this one.
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I don’t want to get caught up in this like I’m the one who said it, because I did NOT…..But don’t forget there were Iowa fans and ISU fans alike (some ISU fans still do) who claimed KF moving kids into the empty dorm room was a clear instance of cover up. Now that was a very illogical argument, but one some fans still harbor…..

But again….this is BIGGER than PSU and their complicity, why will people refuse to see this. WE ALL have a responsibility in these kinds of instances. I honestly think people feel better about themselves by blaming “the big corporation†where were the Joes and Susan’s who could have should have stepped in.
 
cmhawks99 said:
I want to know why the high school connections and charitable connections and the friends and relatives and associates that saw something but still didn’t act….
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Point them out. Who are they? I'll hate on them, too, if they saw Sandusky showering with boys and/or were reported to about it. What did they see?
 
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