Ask yourself when the last time you saw a quarterback come in to a game at halftime and lead a hawk team back? How did Vandenberg do? Northwestern 09 or any other season. It says all I need to know about a kid. He didn't wet the bed. Instead, he made good decision after good decision.
Those thinking CJ might not be ready...
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okeefe4prez
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I think the last time it happened was 2008 when Ricky got the start against the Clowns and then Jake C. came in and won the game. And lost his job. We've rarely had this sort of QB situation, bince we usually have one guy who is head and shoulders above the other. Also, let's not look past the fact that this was a team effort, there were about 30 other guys out there who did their parts in that comeback as well, it wasn't just one guy.
BirdsOfPrey
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It would be nice to see Kirk give CJ an entire game so we could see how he mentally prepares and handles the pressures
of being a starter. Based purely on talent & athletic skills the gap between CJ and Jake looks to be larger than we were led to believe. That 3rd down throw by CJ in particular was unlike any we've seen Jake throw. Two guys in his face, about to get smacked, backpedaling without setting his feet & CJ threw a dart to Hamilton while still hitting him in stride and putting the ball where the defender had no chance at an interception - that was an I'm going to be playing on Sunday's in a few years type of throw.
of being a starter. Based purely on talent & athletic skills the gap between CJ and Jake looks to be larger than we were led to believe. That 3rd down throw by CJ in particular was unlike any we've seen Jake throw. Two guys in his face, about to get smacked, backpedaling without setting his feet & CJ threw a dart to Hamilton while still hitting him in stride and putting the ball where the defender had no chance at an interception - that was an I'm going to be playing on Sunday's in a few years type of throw.
BleednGumsMrphy
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i feel bad for Rudock, but the fact is he had 3 and 1/2 games to prove his worth and didnt blow anyone away. He had some bright spots but was far too hesitant to throw the ball. he seemed to afraid to throw an interception. Beathard came in and looked great. He has earned his shot. I cant imagine he is atrocious in practice because he looks great in the game
skinnykilmer17
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A little Favre-esque I would say.
HomerChampless
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Comparing Beathard to Favre may be putting too much pressure on Beathard. Maybe it doesn't put any pressure on Beathard. Maybe Beathard thinks he's like Favre. Maybe that's Ferentz' problem with Beathard, that he's too much of a gunslinger. I listened to the podcast between Jon and Dace and I remember Dace pointing out this very thing. Dace also pointed out Ferentz is going to be in the hall of fame as a 'validation' of Ferentz' opinion of CJB.
Is CJB too much a gunslinger like Favre? I'm not sure it's there, yet, but I'd like to relate some info about Favre:
When Favre started for the Packers in 1992, he had the same arm and gunslinger's mentality he had as he ended his career.
Mike Holmgren who's definitely an offensive genius and is also in the Pro Football Hall Of Fame, was Farve's HC and OC for a new type of offense for the Packers and wanted Favre as starter.
My best friend is a Green Bay Packers fan... was a Packers fan back in 1992. My friend got on his weekly soapbox (after every Packers debacle) to dismiss Favre's ability. Too many interceptions. Takes too many risks. Doesn't stay in the pocket enough. But Holmgren stayed with Favre for multiple seasons.
What do we see in the NFL today? Each NFL team tries to get the QB with the great arm to play in the team's system. The Lions keep their QB (who has a fantastic arm) even though he's prone to mistakes. Notice the Lions don't bench Stafford after a multitude of mistakes. The Browns are ready to ditch their 'game manager' QB for the 'mistake prone' QB sensation.
Is CJB too much a gunslinger like Favre? I'm not sure it's there, yet, but I'd like to relate some info about Favre:
When Favre started for the Packers in 1992, he had the same arm and gunslinger's mentality he had as he ended his career.
Mike Holmgren who's definitely an offensive genius and is also in the Pro Football Hall Of Fame, was Farve's HC and OC for a new type of offense for the Packers and wanted Favre as starter.
My best friend is a Green Bay Packers fan... was a Packers fan back in 1992. My friend got on his weekly soapbox (after every Packers debacle) to dismiss Favre's ability. Too many interceptions. Takes too many risks. Doesn't stay in the pocket enough. But Holmgren stayed with Favre for multiple seasons.
What do we see in the NFL today? Each NFL team tries to get the QB with the great arm to play in the team's system. The Lions keep their QB (who has a fantastic arm) even though he's prone to mistakes. Notice the Lions don't bench Stafford after a multitude of mistakes. The Browns are ready to ditch their 'game manager' QB for the 'mistake prone' QB sensation.
Last time I saw a qb that "wasn't ready" he turned into a Heisman runner up. When you have someone with the skills of CJ (or Banks) you get them ready as fast as possible. Especially when there downside of being not ready still appears to be better than the competition.
HomerChampless
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I won't go their.
At least I didn't use they're.
HawkeyeMHA
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I haven't been sold on Goldie locks the sunshine sex canon but he made all the plays he needed to make on Saturday. If he can do that for a full game, consistently, he as my vote for sure.
hawkeyebob62
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If you watched the game replay, listened to BTN talking heads, etc., the comeback was as much a credit to the D as to the O. Not discounting CJ, he was awesome, but it was only half the story.
As to being "ready", he's certainly ready enough that we now KNOW we have two decent enough QBs.
tm3308
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I don't think that was a direct comparison between Beathard and Favre. But that throw was definitely something like Favre used to do all the time.
1977Hawkeye
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Whether CJB would be better than JR in the long run remains to be seen I guess, but it appears that he has more intangibles, and based on what we've seen so far, no doubt that CJB is "ready". As someone else said, whoever starts, at least we know we have a solid backup unlike in most years past. I say go with the guy with the highest ceiling and live with maybe an extra mistake or two in the process. It's not like Rudock hasn't made some mistakes this year, though.
Last year, CJ was not ready. In this game, he showed his progress, and he is now ready. Last year Jake was ready and was the right choice...but things change. CJ has matured enough now to allow his skills to shine. Jake has some paralysis by analysis at times...and simply does not have the wing to make defenders respect him. KF has to give CJ the reins on Saturday, with Jake ready to come in if it blows up....this is our last game to experiment at all....take advantage of it KF!
CRHawk2002
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I am sick of hearing this. The defense was also responsible for allowing 17 points and 150 yards rushing in the first half. Yes, they played well in the 2nd half. The reason they had to play so well in the 2nd half was because they played so poorly in the first half. We don't win the game if Rudock plays in the 2nd half. CJ threw the ball downfield in all three of his drives. This pushed back the secondary and it was evident in the running game, and it opened up smoke screens. The reason we on was because of how well CJ played. Not the defense. The defense held on to a game they let slip away in the first half.
hawkeyebob62
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<<We don't win the game if Rudock plays in the second half>>
Most likely, yes, "definitely"? You can't make that statement.
What are you "sick" of hearing? That the D made a huge adjustment the second half? Jake threw well downfield in the first half. One was a beauty to Powell which, somehow, ended up in the hands of the Pitt DB. His throw to Vandeberg was excellent. But we also saw drops by receivers, and only one of our three RBs that was patient enough to remember, "Wait? That's IT! Look for the hole!" That's a lot easier to fix than what the D was experiencing.
As I said, not a knock on CJB, AT ALL. But the D still needed to do its part, and judging by the first half, the prospects for that weren't great.
franstheman
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Cj is ready. Let the sunshine through.
