This lawyer thinks JoePa acted correctly both morally and ethically

He went to the commissioner of campus police, he made sure they spoke to to the person who brought this to his attention, and he essentially canned the coach involved. .

No, he didn't. The guy was "retired" in 1998, and then still allowed to bring kids on campus and into the showers.

Look at this a different way. If you saw a coworker doing something like this in the gym locker room at work, would you tell your boss? Or call the police? Or confront the individual?
Would you tell that individual that they can still come use the work gym as long as they just don't bring any kids there any more, knowing full well what he is probably doing outside of the work gym? I am guessing that any human being answers the above differently than JoePa did.
 
Sandusky wouldn't have had any more victims - or whatever you want to cal them - had Joe handled the situation the right way and make sure that someone he knew, from at least two incidents that he was aware of, was a sexual predator preying upon children was turned on to the proper authorities.

Joe failed to do this and therefore did not fulfill his moral obligation to do ask that he could have done and should have done. This is the bottom line.

Of course there is a lawyer wiling to obscure the bottom line with smoke and mirrors; that is what lawyers do when the facts are not their friends.

Joe knew Sandusky was a pedophile but chose to not want to get involved in any way, shape, or form.
Joe shirked his moral obligation and is a hypocrite of the worst order.
 
I discounted the fact that the VP was the Chief of U-Police.

I have to say that while everyone has some culpability here, JoePa took it to his boss and the Chief of Police that had jurisdiction. You can't have citizens arrests. To the point that this is the end, I agree that he fulfilled his legal and moral obligation. It appears the Prosecutors do as well.

That being said, one plus one isn't equaling two right now.

So when that accusation is taken to the Campus Police, what was their action? What was the extent of their investigation? It is obvious that it was a joke at best, and a conspiracy at worst.

Did they not have a proper investigation because they were incompetent?

Did they not have a proper investigation because they were concerned about the football program?

Unfortunately, being dumb or incompetent isn't a criminal offense, but being willfully incompetent is.

The fact that the Chief of Police perjured himself, proves that this was at best a cover up, and at worst a criminal conspiracy.

Back to JoePa, the question needs to be asked, was he asked of his opinion in this matter? Was he brought into conversations about what arresting Sandusky would do to the football program, and as such told that they wouldn't be acting on it as such?

If so, than he deserves every bit of the **** storm he is getting right now.

If not, than I agree with the lawyer.

The point is however, that there are questions that still need to be answered to really get to what happened behind the scenes.
 
Joe knew there was a cancer touching his program. He needed to aggressively make sure it was dealt with and that the monster in his presence, though no longer a paid member of the staff, was stopped to avoid other young boys becoming victims.

He didn't. Far too passive of a response by Joe, and many others at Penn State.
 
I think another thing that people are failing to take into account looking at the report in hindsight is that Sandusky was clearly a very good liar, and he was lying to a lot of people for a very long time. Also, people wanted to believe in him, which is exactly what enabled him to lie so well.

For example, the GA thought he saw something in the shower, so he runs off. Sandusky clearly convinced the upper level brass, and Paterno -- who, truth be told, probably wanted desperately to believe him -- that he was just horsing around with the kid in the shower, that what the GA thought he saw wasn't what he really saw. This would be seen as inappropriate enough to ban someone from the showers, but maybe as an administrator you decide that's as far as it needs to go.

Now, when you read the Grand Jury report and everything is laid out in black and white, it seems obvious that this guy should have been stopped. But we have the benefit of a lot of information these people didn't have at the time, nearly overwhelming testimony really. Just like with Herman Cain, where one anonymous victim seemed less credible, but now he's struggling to deny the claims made by four different women, two of whom are now known. Yet he's still trying.

This is exactly what makes Sandusky so awful. He used the fact that these boys were vulnerable and that people trusted him as a public figure to do it over and over again. He must on some level have felt invulnerable.

I think Joe Paterno should step down at the end of the year for a number of different reasons, the primary one being that it would be a good point of departure and healing for the program and university. But do I think this should forever completely taint him legacy as a coach or person? I'm not ready to make that call, yet. I would like to know more of what happened. I also think that even though he made a big mistake in judgment, that the good he did outweighed this one mistake-- the mistake really of believing in a friend too much.
 
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After moving up the chain of command, to learn that your bosses didn't go to police, at that time (at the latest) you have to step in and go to the police. Someone had to do the right thing. None of them did. So they al should be removed from their positions, and all of them most certainly will
 
After moving up the chain of command, to learn that your bosses didn't go to police, at that time (at the latest) you have to step in and go to the police. Someone had to do the right thing. None of them did. So they al should be removed from their positions, and all of them most certainly will

Paterno did go to who for all intents and purposes was the Chief of the University Police. The VP of Business Affairs oversees the UPD, and as the crime occured on campus, they had total jurisdiction.

Read the article - as on most campuses (including Iowa) the University Police Department is comprised of sworn state police officers that have the same legal authority as any municipal or state officer.
 
Paterno did go to who for all intents and purposes was the Chief of the University Police. The VP of Business Affairs oversees the UPD, and as the crime occured on campus, they had total jurisdiction.

Read the article - as on most campuses (including Iowa) the University Police Department is comprised of sworn state police officers that have the same legal authority as any municipal or state officer.

I don't think anyone argues that he didn't fulfill his legal responsibility. He did. But what people should do is not always defined by laws. I chalk up "doing everything I can to help a raped little boy that i know about" as something that someone should do, even if the law doesn't force them to.
 
I didn't read theentire Grand Jury indictment, butcorrect me if I'm wrong here, it took 48 hours for Joe paterno to rport the GA's allegations to the AD, who in turn reported it to the University President?

If that is in fact the case, I can not understand for the life of me how anyone could possibly suggest that Joe Pa or the GA's actions were even remotely morally responsible.
 
I discounted the fact that the VP was the Chief of U-Police.

Okay let me give you a little lesson on University organization.

Every department on a college campus has to eventually report to someone higher up until you get to the Chancellor/President.

Many of these reporting responsibilities involve reporting to someone who has absolutely no experience doing what you do, nor the technical or professional background to do what you do.

When it comes to University Police this is ALMOST ALWAYS the case. This guy was NOT the Chief of Police. He was a finance and administration guy. Basically his job was to control the budget and that was it.

Saying he was the Chief of Police is like saying the Head of the City Council or the Mayor or some top administrator in City Government is the Chief of Police. It just is NOT TRUE BY ANY STRETCH OF THE IMAGINATION.
 
The best quote I heard regarding this topic is, that seems to cut to the heart of this action/inaction:

What if the kid had been Paterno's grandson.
 
I'd like to see this lawyer personally explain to the victims of Sandusky that occured AFTER the 2002 incident that Joe and co. did the proper thing by simply going to their superior. I'm sure they would be ok with it knowing that the chain of command was followed. Freaking rediculous, Sandusky was still working out in the weight room as of last week, and this was after all of the grand jury testimonies that went on last year! All involved at PSU are responsible for this and house needs to be cleaned at Penn State. This lawyer needs to pull his nose out of his law textbooks and have some common sense.
 
I didn't read theentire Grand Jury indictment, butcorrect me if I'm wrong here, it took 48 hours for Joe paterno to rport the GA's allegations to the AD, who in turn reported it to the University President?

If that is in fact the case, I can not understand for the life of me how anyone could possibly suggest that Joe Pa or the GA's actions were even remotely morally responsible.

How much evidence was lost in the time it took for the GA to report it to Paterno and the time it took Paterno to report it up the chain? The GA failed miserably in not interrupting the act and reporting it right away, but Paterno continued that failure. In many ways Paterno had the greater responsibility to ensure this was brought to the attention of authorities right away.
 
Okay let me give you a little lesson on University organization.

Every department on a college campus has to eventually report to someone higher up until you get to the Chancellor/President.

Many of these reporting responsibilities involve reporting to someone who has absolutely no experience doing what you do, nor the technical or professional background to do what you do.

When it comes to University Police this is ALMOST ALWAYS the case. This guy was NOT the Chief of Police. He was a finance and administration guy. Basically his job was to control the budget and that was it.

Saying he was the Chief of Police is like saying the Head of the City Council or the Mayor or some top administrator in City Government is the Chief of Police. It just is NOT TRUE BY ANY STRETCH OF THE IMAGINATION.

OK - that is fair enough.

But he had to go to the University Police, not the city police right? I suppose he could have gone to the FBI.

I really think that Paterno's culpability is based on whether he took part in any conversations after the fact. If he did, he deserves the **** storm.

This stinks of a cover up to protect the football program. So it is hard to imagine Paterno not being part of that conversation. But until we know that for sure, I don't think we should **** all over the guy. Yet.
 
I don't understand why a child rape was merely reported to supervisors and "up the chain".

If a murder happened in that shower, would they have called the REAL POLICE? Or just told the AD that some dead guy was in the shower?
 
Also, university police are somewhere between mall cops and real cops. UIowa police don't carry guns.
 
I'd like to see this lawyer personally explain to the victims of Sandusky that occured AFTER the 2002 incident that Joe and co. did the proper thing by simply going to their superior. I'm sure they would be ok with it knowing that the chain of command was followed. Freaking rediculous, Sandusky was still working out in the weight room as of last week, and this was after all of the grand jury testimonies that went on last year! All involved at PSU are responsible for this and house needs to be cleaned at Penn State. This lawyer needs to pull his nose out of his law textbooks and have some common sense.

This... JoePa knew what happened (per the GA report to him), yet countless victims after the fact were violated. Pisses me off that there is still support for him.
 
Paterno did go to who for all intents and purposes was the Chief of the University Police. The VP of Business Affairs oversees the UPD, and as the crime occured on campus, they had total jurisdiction.

Read the article - as on most campuses (including Iowa) the University Police Department is comprised of sworn state police officers that have the same legal authority as any municipal or state officer.

Which is another reason I don't understand why President Lanier is not under indictment from the Grand Jury. AD Tim Curley and Gary Schultz reported to him the results of their investigation so why is he absolved of the liability of not informing the police/child welfare of this incident?
 

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