This Guy.

Without reading the article i thought you meant Snyder lol. No greater turnaround in cfb history than what he did.
 
MelroseHawkins said:
North Dakota St. I realize it's a FCS school, but he's proven to perform well while working thru changes in a program. Ok, he may not have turned them around, per se, but prior to his first season at ND State he lost 23 senior players and had to fill 7 coaching spots and guided the team to a 15-1 record and National Championship in his first year.To get everybody on the same page in one season is impressive, I don't care what level of football it is playing at.

He won 4 National Championships in 5 years as head coach tied Jim Tressel for most NC's as a head coach. He won 85% of his games as head coach and had a 56.5% winning % over ranked teams and 2 wins against FBS teams in 2 tries.

It will be very interesting to see how he does at Kansas St. If he wins there, the ceiling will be very high for this guy.

I know a LB'er who played with Chris Klieman at UNI. This LB'er was great in his own way at UNI and in their record books. He told me Klieman is a football genius. He commented on how during the games he would identify the plays and position players before the play would run. He said he was in there just to hit guys and tackle people and Klieman would get them in the right play or position prior to the snap. He said the guy is just brilliant.
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Just beat Oklahoma to. I think you’re right the ceiling is pretty high.
 
MelroseHawkins said:
North Dakota St. I realize it's a FCS school, but he's proven to perform well while working thru changes in a program. Ok, he may not have turned them around, per se, but prior to his first season at ND State he lost 23 senior players and had to fill 7 coaching spots and guided the team to a 15-1 record and National Championship in his first year.To get everybody on the same page in one season is impressive, I don't care what level of football it is playing at.

He won 4 National Championships in 5 years as head coach tied Jim Tressel for most NC's as a head coach. He won 85% of his games as head coach and had a 56.5% winning % over ranked teams and 2 wins against FBS teams in 2 tries.

It will be very interesting to see how he does at Kansas St. If he wins there, the ceiling will be very high for this guy.

I know a LB'er who played with Chris Klieman at UNI. This LB'er was great in his own way at UNI and in their record books. He told me Klieman is a football genius. He commented on how during the games he would identify the plays and position players before the play would run. He said he was in there just to hit guys and tackle people and Klieman would get them in the right play or position prior to the snap. He said the guy is just brilliant.
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I don’t necessarily disagree with your points, but NDSU was good before he took over. Craig bohls had them rolling.
 
Jonrn said:
I don’t necessarily disagree with your points, but NDSU was good before he took over. Craig bohls had them rolling.
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Klieman got handed the keys to a Ferrari. Bohls is the guy who made NDSU what it is.

Klieman's a good coach, but NDSU is in the most unique position in all of college football. The gap between them and the rest of the FCS schools is so huge that they have the literal pick of any 1-AA recruit. You think Alabama and Clemson have a recruiting advantage over their peers, it's nothing compared to what NDSU has.
 
Fryowa said:
Klieman got handed the keys to a Ferrari. Bohls is the guy who made NDSU what it is.

Klieman's a good coach, but NDSU is in the most unique position in all of college football. The gap between them and the rest of the FCS schools is so huge that they have the literal pick of any 1-AA recruit. You think Alabama and Clemson have a recruiting advantage over their peers, it's nothing compared to what NDSU has.
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Thanks. That was my point. I don't think we can say Klieman turned around a program that won three national championships in a row and went 53-3 in those three years before he took over.
 
Fryowa said:
Klieman got handed the keys to a Ferrari. Bohls is the guy who made NDSU what it is.

Klieman's a good coach, but NDSU is in the most unique position in all of college football. The gap between them and the rest of the FCS schools is so huge that they have the literal pick of any 1-AA recruit. You think Alabama and Clemson have a recruiting advantage over their peers, it's nothing compared to what NDSU has.
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Ok, they have a recruiting advantage but it's not even close to what Alabama, Clemson, and Ohio State have. You look through their roster and they are getting mostly kids from the Dakotas and Minnesota. Sure they have a few sprinkled in from Wisconsin and Florida but it's not like they can get whomever they want. Recruiting at a FCS school is WAY different than FBS, they have to wait for the FBS schools take who they want and then recruit the leftovers. I'm sure there is an outlier example of where a recruit picked NDSU over Minnesota but I can't imagine they go head to head very often.
 
Klieman does look like a really solid coach, someone that would at worst stabilize a program and be competitive. He would be a great hire for a program like Rutgers, a place that is so discombobulated with no direction. Iowa is already a stable program and envied by a lot of programs for it. Now, is Klieman the type of guy that can take an 7.5 win team to a 9.5 win team? Nobody knows because he hasn't done it. The only proof we have is that they have a team good enough to beat Oklahoma, the team that was by far the best in their conference, yet, they have lost two games and scored 12 and 13 points in them. Not knocking them, but his next step is what Bill Snyder did for so many years. Destroy everyone on their schedule except Oklahoma and Texas every year, and even if you lose those you win 9-10 games a year. Then after that I think he would be a good hire at a place that could get better recruits.
 
ssckelley said:
Ok, they have a recruiting advantage but it's not even close to what Alabama, Clemson, and Ohio State have....it's not like they can get whomever they want.

Recruiting at a FCS school is WAY different than FBS, they have to wait for the FBS schools take who they want and then recruit the leftovers
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Wrong.

I never said they get whoever they want from all recruits, that would be silly. But they do get whoever they want from the pool of FCS recruits left after FBS schools (if you read my post you'll see I said 1-AA recruit). Which, because they obviously play among other FCS schools, means a bigger advantage than any P5 program.

NDSU has even had some of their recruiting classes ranked higher than FBS schools in the past. No other football team in modern history has ever been as dominant among their peers as NDSU; not even close. And part of that ocntinuing is because they get to basically choose their players from the available pool now.
 
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Fryowa said:
Ferentz will be allowed to retire no matter what happens--even if he somehow went 2-10 the next three years--and Brian will be allowed to go more than a couple years of down seasons out of respect to the Ferentz family shield.

There's going to be a Ferentz in office through at least 2030; this conversation is ridiculous to even have.

I do know that when the Brain takes over and tanks the program, I won't stop rooting, but I'll probably stop paying much attention because it will be self-inflicted.
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The common denominator on offense has always been KF. This is his style and philosophy. Has anyone ever asked Brian if he became a head coach if his would differ from current style? It is probably all he has ever played and coached, but Saban changed at some point as did many other coaches.
 
Jonrn said:
I don’t necessarily disagree with your points, but NDSU was good before he took over. Craig bohls had them rolling.
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I realized that, but before he was head coach there, he was also on the staff and on for 3 of the championships before he was HC. He may have had a large part of those. He will be a very hot commodity in the next couple years.
 
RobHowe said:
Thanks. That was my point. I don't think we can say Klieman turned around a program that won three national championships in a row and went 53-3 in those three years before he took over.
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Geezus people, HE WAS ON THE STAFF FOR THOSE NC'S PRIOR TO HIM TAKING OVER! Who knows what he was able to bring to the table. What has Craig Bohl's done since? I'm telling you, the guy will be coaching a high profile Div I P5 program in 3-4 years.

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ssckelley said:
Ok, they have a recruiting advantage but it's not even close to what Alabama, Clemson, and Ohio State have. You look through their roster and they are getting mostly kids from the Dakotas and Minnesota. Sure they have a few sprinkled in from Wisconsin and Florida but it's not like they can get whomever they want. Recruiting at a FCS school is WAY different than FBS, they have to wait for the FBS schools take who they want and then recruit the leftovers. I'm sure there is an outlier example of where a recruit picked NDSU over Minnesota but I can't imagine they go head to head very often.
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Exactly, they are getting comparable recruits that other at their level are getting. Local/regional recruiting. Probably a bit smaller or slower players. It's obviously the foundation and system that they have there.
 
dirtwrap said:
Klieman does look like a really solid coach, someone that would at worst stabilize a program and be competitive. He would be a great hire for a program like Rutgers, a place that is so discombobulated with no direction. Iowa is already a stable program and envied by a lot of programs for it. Now, is Klieman the type of guy that can take an 7.5 win team to a 9.5 win team? Nobody knows because he hasn't done it. The only proof we have is that they have a team good enough to beat Oklahoma, the team that was by far the best in their conference, yet, they have lost two games and scored 12 and 13 points in them. Not knocking them, but his next step is what Bill Snyder did for so many years. Destroy everyone on their schedule except Oklahoma and Texas every year, and even if you lose those you win 9-10 games a year. Then after that I think he would be a good hire at a place that could get better recruits.
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Solid. I'll give you that.
 
You wrote that he turned around NDSU over night. He's a good coach, but it's OK to own that the statement was inaccurate.
 
Fryowa said:
Klieman got handed the keys to a Ferrari. Bohls is the guy who made NDSU what it is.

Klieman's a good coach, but NDSU is in the most unique position in all of college football. The gap between them and the rest of the FCS schools is so huge that they have the literal pick of any 1-AA recruit. You think Alabama and Clemson have a recruiting advantage over their peers, it's nothing compared to what NDSU has.
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Chris Klieman arrived as an assistant at NDSU in 2011, the same year NDSU started their run. So he probably deserves some credit, who knows how much. Listening to the KSU players, they say he has a winning aura about him that rubs off on everyone. We'll see how this all turns out but he's been impressive so far.
 
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hwk23 said:
Chris Klieman arrived as an assistant at NDSU in 2011, the same year NDSU started their run. So he probably deserves some credit, who knows how much. Listening to the KSU players, they say he has a winning aura about him that rubs off on everyone. We'll see how this all turns out but he's been impressive so far.
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Yep, that's been my point. He's been on staff the entire time. He may have been very instrumental in the run.
 
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