This Guy.

[eveningnewsteam]

He’s a good coach. Will be interesting to see where he has KSU 3-4 years down the road.

 

[hawkinstl]

I'd like to think he'd bring a different (more dynamic) offensive style to Iowa. That'd be nice.

 

[ssckelley]

Wrong.

I never said they get whoever they want from all recruits, that would be silly. But they do get whoever they want from the pool of FCS recruits left after FBS schools (if you read my post you'll see I said 1-AA recruit). Which, because they obviously play among other FCS schools, means a bigger advantage than any P5 program.

NDSU has even had some of their recruiting classes ranked higher than FBS schools in the past. No other football team in modern history has ever been as dominant among their peers as NDSU; not even close. And part of that ocntinuing is because they get to basically choose their players from the available pool now.

Then why doesn't their roster reflect that? It appears to me that they dominate their own home area, the Dakota's and Minnesota.

 

[Fryowa]

Then why doesn't their roster reflect that? It appears to me that they dominate their own home area, the Dakota's and Minnesota.

So just because they recruit from their home area means they miss on lots of recruits? You’re going to have to qualify that one for me.

 

[hawkeyes87]

Baylor also beat IA St, Texas Tech and OK State. They are undefeated at 7-0 and ranked 12th.

Behind their coach who is younger than Klieman and has a better FBS resume.

Maybe he'd be a better alternative choice?

 

[ssckelley]

So just because they recruit from their home area means they miss on lots of recruits? You’re going to have to qualify that one for me.

Come on Fry, you are the one making claims that NDSU has it easy recruiting like some of the D1 big boys, the burden is on you to prove it. They have 56 players on their roster from Minnesota or the Dakotas and they list 99. Yeah they probably have it fairly easy to recruit in their home area but I doubt they can simply get any non FBS recruit from anywhere they want.

 

[MelroseHawkins]

Behind their coach who is younger than Klieman and has a better FBS resume.

Maybe he'd be a better alternative choice?

Nope.

 

[MoseSchrute]

And Barta is a Bison grad. Hmmm...

Oh wait he would have to tear up that quid pro quo with Uncle Bruce and Kirk and probably have to return that 25% raise. Brian will be our next head coach. Book it. Unless Brian changes his mind. Doubtful.

I'm still not convinced Brian will simply have the job handed to him.

 

[eledmonster]

Thanks. That was my point. I don't think we can say Klieman turned around a program that won three national championships in a row and went 53-3 in those three years before he took over.

Yup. Klieman played the role of Tom Osborne to Craig Bohl's Bob Devaney. Sorry for the fusker reference but it's the closest parallel I could think of...
Good coach, no doubt but also riding some serious coattails.

 

[MelroseHawkins]

Yup. Klieman played the role of Tom Osborne to Craig Bohl's Bob Devaney. Sorry for the fusker reference but it's the closest parallel I could think of...
Good coach, no doubt but also riding some serious coattails.

....or is he a Ryan Day of Ohio St. type. Road can go both ways.

He's got Kansas St at 5-2 and sitting #22 in the AP.

 

[hawkeyes87]

He's got Kansas St at 5-2 and sitting #22 in the AP.

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K State this decade:

'10 7-6
'11 10-3 #16
'12 11-2 #11
'13 8-5
'14 9-4 #18
'15 6-7
'16 9-4
'17 8-5
'18 5-7

73 wins, 3 top-25 finishes.

They didn't exactly need a major rebuild. They were ranked to start the 2017 season.

Iowa is 71 w's, 2 top-25 finishes, by comparison.

 

[ssckelley]

K State this decade:

'10 7-6
'11 10-3 #16
'12 11-2 #11
'13 8-5
'14 9-4 #18
'15 6-7
'16 9-4
'17 8-5
'18 5-7

73 wins, 3 top-25 finishes.

They didn't exactly need a major rebuild. They were ranked to start the 2017 season.

Iowa is 71 w's, 2 top-25 finishes, by comparison.

True but the last time Bill Snyder tried to retire Kansas State started sucking almost immediately.

 

[MelroseHawkins]

True but the last time Bill Snyder tried to retire Kansas State started sucking almost immediately.

Exactly.

 

[hawkeyes87]

True but the last time Bill Snyder tried to retire Kansas State started sucking almost immediately.

Yes, it's fair to say Kleiman is better than Ron Prince.

 

[ssckelley]

Yes, it's fair to say Kleiman is better than Ron Prince.

lol, that doesn’t take much

 

[oldhawk12]

I think it's Rob's point that Klieman didn't turn around NDSU. They already had it rolling when he became the HC. He kept it going, for sure, but he didn't turn them around.

What does that matter?

 

[homes]

What does that matter?

Who invited you to this conversation?

 

[oldhawk12]

Klieman got handed the keys to a Ferrari. Bohls is the guy who made NDSU what it is.

Klieman's a good coach, but NDSU is in the most unique position in all of college football. The gap between them and the rest of the FCS schools is so huge that they have the literal pick of any 1-AA recruit. You think Alabama and Clemson have a recruiting advantage over their peers, it's nothing compared to what NDSU has.

Lol. Ndsu was good long before bohls but yeah, he got them cooking with three titles and Klieman then won four more in five years. And anyone knocking Klieman for taking only $2.3 mill at ksu where it’s a dead end, in the middle of nowhere and their budget is a fraction of their conference brethren. Right away, he takes on playoff bound and undefeated Oklahoma and knocks them off when no one else could. He’s light years beyond ferentz jr and highly likely already able to hold his own against ferentz sr. They are one non conference opponent the ferentz x 2 won’t be caught dead scheduling

 

[oldhawk12]

Who invited you to this conversation?

Who are you to dictate who comes into what conversation? Who exactly do you think you are? Is this a private chat? If so, take it offline. Outside of that, shut your piehole

 

[oldhawk12]

Ok, they have a recruiting advantage but it's not even close to what Alabama, Clemson, and Ohio State have. You look through their roster and they are getting mostly kids from the Dakotas and Minnesota. Sure they have a few sprinkled in from Wisconsin and Florida but it's not like they can get whomever they want. Recruiting at a FCS school is WAY different than FBS, they have to wait for the FBS schools take who they want and then recruit the leftovers. I'm sure there is an outlier example of where a recruit picked NDSU over Minnesota but I can't imagine they go head to head very often.

I think you’d be surprised by that one. Kids want to get on the field. Nfl rosters are filled to the brim with players from all over. The one sure thing is that it’s hard to make it if you don’t play.