FalseMirage
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I'm not saying we are living up to expectations. I was asking Vin a question in response to one of his posts.
The Unknown is worse than Ferentz
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I'm not saying we are living up to expectations. I was asking Vin a question in response to one of his posts.
Which one of these coaches had success at multiple programs?
You really are terrible at coming up with examples for your arguments.
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VintageHawkeye
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But remember, the question was "what are your expectations for a 20-year span?"
I really don't think that playing for a BCS nat'l title once every ~7 years is that outrageous. Sh!t, LSU does it every what, 4 years? WTF does LSU offer that Iowa doesn't?? Seriously. Ever been to Baton Rouge, y'all?!? I have. It's a sh!thole!! Iowa City is fackin' Napa Valley compared to Baton Rouge.
We have NO excuses...we should be competing for much bigger stakes than we are.
bcl20
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How is it a cop out to state that 2% of college football programs have done what you are expecting in a 14 year period? Demand excellence all you want, just understand the risk you are taking when doing so. And no, I don't think it's impossible to attain massive success here though it is incredibly hard to do.
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VintageHawkeye
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I posted this already, two pages back. You must have been choking your chic-....err, I mean, feeding your kittycat.
In this era, in this conference, with these resources, and at the salary level that has been established, I expect...
- a winning percentage of 80, +10/-5
- playing in at least three (3) BCS nat'l championship games
- no less than six (6) B1G titles
...over a twenty year span
Yeah, you'll respond dismissively. "We're just little old Iowa!"
And then I'll offer up little old Oregon, Oklahoma State, Virginia Tech, Boise State, Stanford, hell how about Wisconsin...
70 teams now go to bowls and counting 3/4 isn't expecting much.
How did KF do it twice and Fry once? Fry had a 10-2 season and a 10-1-1 season which were equal to or better than the KF years you mentioned.
I think the realistic demands I am looking at are:
At minimum - top 25 every other year
Winning percentage >75% vs. ISU, Indiana, Minnesota and Northwestern
hawkfaninTX
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They all were successful at multiple coaching stops. Do your own google search!
They all were successful at multiple coaching stops. Do your own google search!
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VintageHawkeye
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I don't fear risk; I manage it. I make money off of it.
You?
I'm sick of repeating myself. Y'all go ahead and accept the safe, nice, provincial humdrum bullsh!t we've been force-fed for the past 12 seasons.
I'm dissatisfied. I want more. It's not on me if you can't understand the mindset.
bcl20
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If you make money off of risk that's cool. I don't really care but that's cool. You should know though that there are risks you take and risks you don't take and based off of the data in front of me, I don't see a risk worth taking yet. A couple more 6 win seasons than I'd probably be in favor of pulling the trigger but I'm not there yet.
Turner Gill: Buffalo and ???
Dan Hawkins: Boise St and ???
Jerry Kill: Northern Illinois and ??? (at the FBS level)
Mike Haywood: Miami (OH) and ???
Todd Graham: Rice and Tulsa
So you got one out of five right, might want to stop going off the top of your head LOL.
And good to see that you're judging Graham a failure after one season, way to be consistent there champ.
ChosenChildren
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You have insane expectations. I don't really think you are serious, based on the tone of your responses.I posted this already, two pages back. You must have been choking your chic-....err, I mean, feeding your kittycat.
In this era, in this conference, with these resources, and at the salary level that has been established, I expect...
- a winning percentage of 80, +10/-5
- playing in at least three (3) BCS nat'l championship games
- no less than six (6) B1G titles
...over a twenty year span
Yeah, you'll respond dismissively. "We're just little old Iowa!"
And then I'll offer up little old Oregon, Oklahoma State, Virginia Tech, Boise State, Stanford, hell how about Wisconsin...
99% of the Iowa fan base will be happy averaging 7 or 8 wins per season. That means that in some years Iowa will win more than that, and in some years they will win less.
Some time, when you are thinking a little more clearly, go to Fry Fest and try to spend some time with Hayden Fry. Ask him how difficult it is to win a national championship. You might be surprised at the answer.
I think if your goal is to win national championships at Iowa, you are going to die a very unhappy man. Iowa has won one. I think the odds of another are very remote.
Michigan, one of the great dynasties in college football, has one won national championship in the past 62 years, and it was shared with Nebraska.
8 wins a season? Possible. Bowl games? Sure. Winning national championships? Pretty tough -
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VintageHawkeye
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complacent
accepting of the status quo
fear of the unknown
you bore me
no personal offense intended, though
bcl20
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Sorry I don't have any meaningless and just as exciting personal anecdotes to throw out.
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VintageHawkeye
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aww, jesus H christ
WHY CAN'T IOWA BE AN ELITE FOOTBALL PROGRAM??? GIVE ME INTELLECTUAL REASONS, NOT FEAR AND TIMIDITY
And I don't give a flattened pile of sh!t about what "99% of Iowa fans" would be happy with! Why would you even offer that made-up, anecdotal BS?!?
Cripes. I'm sooo sick of posters who bring a dull butter knife to this gunfight.
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VintageHawkeye
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dude, as long as you feel SAFE and COMFORTABLE with your head coach, that's all that matters
he'll never offend you, he'll never say anything wrong
he'll just pick your pocket and laugh at you behind your back
ChosenChildren
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Give some of the money you have made managing risk to the University and demand a change. I'll bet if you give enough, they might listen to you.
I'm guessing that anyone hanging out on this message board probably isn't taken very seriously by the Iowa Athletic Department (me included).
Just a guess
bcl20
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I'm just going to assume you don't understand my argument and end this. Because, that's not it at all.
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VintageHawkeye
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Don't you think this is one of the deepest roots of the problem?!?
FAT CATS.
I give money. I know people who give a lot more than me. NONE of us is satisfied with the direction of the FB program.
It shouldn't be like this.
PatrickAdamovicz
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I don't think it's out of the realm that Iowa can get to a National Title game. They were in the discussion in 2002 and in 2009. It's the numerous years of mediocrity that has many in the fanbase questioning things.
ChosenChildren
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Actually, I think you have lost this gunfight. You have been exposed.
No one who manages risk successfully adopts the kind of attitude you are displaying. If you are as successful as you imply you are, then you take calculated risks. The same is true in college football - keeping Ferentz and supporting him is the calculated risk and the smart investment. It is the only risk that Barta can take right now.
Ferentz is the hero - he is the one who has the courage to stay at Iowa and continue to chase bowl games, big ten titles, etc. He had many chances to leave Iowa, but chose to stay in Iowa City. His entire book at Iowa has not been written - Iowa will have additional great seasons, IMO.
