The Mayor picks off another transfer

trj said:
And Jake Sullivan would struggle to get minutes on this team, also. Sullivan was far more effective coming off screens than he was as a spot up shooter.
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Ha ha ha please tell me you aren't serious? Sullivan is iowa states 7th leading scorer in school history. He would not be struggling to get minutes that is just crazy talk. Would love to see he and niang on the court together.
 
ForeverIowan said:
I would say 2nd in made three pointers made in ISU history as a frosh next to maybe our best pure shooter ever in jake Sullivan is pretty dang elite company and a great start. If you think Bdj and especially hogue are better three point shooters than thomas that is truly ridiculous. Naz long is an assasin the guy is going to go down as one of my favorite isu players ever. Next to naz there is no one else I want on the team shooting an open three than thomas. Stats don't always tell the story opposing teams know thomas is a 3 point specialist his shots are more often than not very contested. Jake sullivan only shot 38% from three his senior year. Was he not an elite shooter because of his percentage? Probably more so he was a marked man that spaced the floor and was asked to hit contested jumpers.
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You are right, stats don't tell the whole story. Here is how the story goes:

Thomas began the year as a starter.
Thomas was passed fairly soon and soon found himself on the bench
Thomas ended the year getting barely 10 min a game and avg. about 2 PPG over the last 10 games
Thomas made 4 3 pt shots over those last 10 games.

Thomas couldn't sniff Sullivan's jock as a shooter. Thomas dreams of being 1/2 the shooter than Sullivan was. Thomas made 44 3's his Fr. year shooting 36% FG and 33% from 3. Sullivan as a Fr. made 61 while shooting 48% FG and 45% from 3. Sullivan was a career TS% of 60%, Thomas TS% 50%. Just for your reference Josh Oglesby has a career TS% of 49%. To even try to compare Thomas to Sullivan is just beyond stupid. Thomas is about identical to Oglesby as far as his true shooting % goes.

Yet instead of continuing to argue this, just put your money where you mouth was. You said it was 2 to 1 that Thomas was gonna end his career at ISU. I took that bet, do you accept.......or do you even believe the crap you shovel?
 
deanvogs said:
You are right, stats don't tell the whole story. Here is how the story goes:

Thomas began the year as a starter.
Thomas was passed fairly soon and soon found himself on the bench
Thomas ended the year getting barely 10 min a game and avg. about 2 PPG over the last 10 games
Thomas made 4 3 pt shots over those last 10 games.

Thomas couldn't sniff Sullivan's jock as a shooter. Thomas dreams of being 1/2 the shooter than Sullivan was. Thomas made 44 3's his Fr. year shooting 36% FG and 33% from 3. Sullivan as a Fr. made 61 while shooting 48% FG and 45% from 3. Sullivan was a career TS% of 60%, Thomas TS% 50%. Just for your reference Josh Oglesby has a career TS% of 49%. To even try to compare Thomas to Sullivan is just beyond stupid. Thomas is about identical to Oglesby as far as his true shooting % goes.

Yet instead of continuing to argue this, just put your money where you mouth was. You said it was 2 to 1 that Thomas was gonna end his career at ISU. I took that bet, do you accept.......or do you even believe the crap you shovel?
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When did I ever try to say Thomas was as good as sullivan? I didnt. All I said was stats are misleading and three point percentages can be misleading and not always a great indicator of how good of a shooter you are. The kid is practically a freshman for crying out loud let his career play out. Since you are so into numbers and that is the be all and end all what is your mark/percentage you need to be over to be considered a great shooter?? And yes I am all for that wager. 100 to 200?
 
ForeverIowan said:
When did I ever try to say Thomas was as good as sullivan? I didnt. All I said was stats are misleading and three point percentages can be misleading and not always a great indicator of how good of a shooter you are. The kid is practically a freshman for crying out loud let his career play out. Since you are so into numbers and that is the be all and end all what is your mark/percentage you need to be over to be considered a great shooter?? And yes I am all for that wager. 100 to 200?
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What else is there????
 
ForeverIowan said:
Ha ha ha please tell me you aren't serious? Sullivan is iowa states 7th leading scorer in school history. He would not be struggling to get minutes that is just crazy talk. Would love to see he and niang on the court together.
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Tell me how he would exactly fit on this team other than playing 10-15 minutes per game as a spot up shooter?
 
ForeverIowan said:
When did I ever try to say Thomas was as good as sullivan? I didnt. All I said was stats are misleading and three point percentages can be misleading and not always a great indicator of how good of a shooter you are. The kid is practically a freshman for crying out loud let his career play out. Since you are so into numbers and that is the be all and end all what is your mark/percentage you need to be over to be considered a great shooter?? And yes I am all for that wager. 100 to 200?
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Stats can be deciving at time, but with advanced stats the picture becomes much clearer, and 95% of the time those stats are not misleading at all. Thomas plays in Freds system which gets more wide open 3 looks than nearly any other offense in college BB. So much so that average shooters like DeAndre Kane, and BDJ see a SPIKE in their 3 pt shooting when playing in his system. If anything it could be argued that Thomas is shooting BETTER than he would in nearly any other college BB system.
 
trj said:
Tell me how he would exactly fit on this team other than playing 10-15 minutes per game as a spot up shooter?
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First thing is first here. You don't score 1800+ points plus in your college career by simply being a "spot up shooter". Sullivan was so much more than that and you paraphrasing him as such makes me think you aren't familiar with his game and just how great he was. No he wasn't an above the rim player he was an incredible shooter and gifted at getting to the free throw line a la your man Aaron white. Sullivan shot 395 free throws in his career at a 90% clip. Pretty impressive from a 6 foot guard who was characteriled as unathletic. I loved his game.
 
deanvogs said:
Stats can be deciving at time, but with advanced stats the picture becomes much clearer, and 95% of the time those stats are not misleading at all. Thomas plays in Freds system which gets more wide open 3 looks than nearly any other offense in college BB. So much so that average shooters like DeAndre Kane, and BDJ see a SPIKE in their 3 pt shooting when playing in his system. If anything it could be argued that Thomas is shooting BETTER than he would in nearly any other college BB system.
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I have zero clue what kind of advanced stats you are referring to. You said he wasn't a great shooter because he shot 34 percent from three point range. You've said that over and over again. My question to you is what percentage than is elite in your opinion?? Also you do realize it was his freshman year correct?? Mercy let's at least let him get a couple years under his belt before you chalk him up as a sure fire transfer. You don't trust me and I sure as H dont trust you so not sure how we can make a wager. I will back up my statement though 2:1 odds he graduates a successful clone.
 
trj said:
And Jake Sullivan would struggle to get minutes on this team, also. Sullivan was far more effective coming off screens than he was as a spot up shooter.
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Last thing...let me put this in perspective for you...Jake Sullivan's 1810 career points would rank him 2nd at your proud university of IOWA in total career points. Let me repeat myself...SECOND! He would not struggle to get minutes on any team in the country that is beyond absurd.
 
ForeverIowan said:
I have zero clue what kind of advanced stats you are referring to. You said he wasn't a great shooter because he shot 34 percent from three point range. You've said that over and over again. My question to you is what percentage than is elite in your opinion?? Also you do realize it was his freshman year correct?? Mercy let's at least let him get a couple years under his belt before you chalk him up as a sure fire transfer. You don't trust me and I sure as H dont trust you so not sure how we can make a wager. I will back up my statement though 2:1 odds he graduates a successful clone.
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Welp, I would say to be an "elite shooter" you would want to have more than a 1% better career chance of hitting a 3 pointer than Josh Oglesby. If you don't know about advanced stats there is no point to this discussion....You will just continue to spout nonsense that isn't backed up by any stats, and say things like "stats can be deceiving" cause you just simply don't have any at all to back up your nonsense.

You wanna be an elite 3 pt guy you need to shoot over 40% a year or two, and be above 38% for your career. Sullivan was an elite guy, Long is an elite guy, McGee was an elite guy. Thomas isn't close to those guys at all. He is the Josh Oglesby of ISU. .324 vs .335.....both crappy numbers for 3 pt specialist. I would say that is acceptable if you are a volume scored like a Devyn Marble, but you certainly aren't an "elite shooter" at 33%.

I have lost $100 bet on here to a Clown fan, and I paid him up through paypal. You are a smarmy POS, so now that I think about it, making a bet with someone who wouldn't pay up (while I would) is a stupid move. Plus even if he does graduate at ISU, it won't be as a "successful clone" and we would never agree to a definition on that if you think shooting 36% from the field and 33% from 3 is "elite".
 
ForeverIowan said:
First thing is first here. You don't score 1800+ points plus in your college career by simply being a "spot up shooter". Sullivan was so much more than that and you paraphrasing him as such makes me think you aren't familiar with his game and just how great he was. No he wasn't an above the rim player he was an incredible shooter and gifted at getting to the free throw line a la your man Aaron white. Sullivan shot 395 free throws in his career at a 90% clip. Pretty impressive from a 6 foot guard who was characteriled as unathletic. I loved his game.
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Eustacy had JS coming off screens for his open looks; in FH's system he is hanging out on the perimeter waiting for his shot with 3 other dudes. Once again, tell me how he is getting more than 10-15 mins. a game? Maybe, a huge maybe, given foul trouble situation, he could be a poor man's version of Kane in FH's system.
 
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deanvogs said:
You are right, stats don't tell the whole story. Here is how the story goes:

Thomas began the year as a starter.
Thomas was passed fairly soon and soon found himself on the bench
Thomas ended the year getting barely 10 min a game and avg. about 2 PPG over the last 10 games
Thomas made 4 3 pt shots over those last 10 games.

Thomas couldn't sniff Sullivan's jock as a shooter. Thomas dreams of being 1/2 the shooter than Sullivan was. Thomas made 44 3's his Fr. year shooting 36% FG and 33% from 3. Sullivan as a Fr. made 61 while shooting 48% FG and 45% from 3. Sullivan was a career TS% of 60%, Thomas TS% 50%. Just for your reference Josh Oglesby has a career TS% of 49%. To even try to compare Thomas to Sullivan is just beyond stupid. Thomas is about identical to Oglesby as far as his true shooting % goes.

Yet instead of continuing to argue this, just put your money where you mouth was. You said it was 2 to 1 that Thomas was gonna end his career at ISU. I took that bet, do you accept.......or do you even believe the crap you shovel?
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Lol Dean arguing over who the better Cyclone player is. That's how much this guy misses CF.
 
clicheusername3 said:
Lol Dean arguing over who the better Cyclone player is. That's how much this guy misses CF.
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HAHAHA.....I posted on CF for about 4 months, then left that insane asylum. I then went back for a month or two. How long you been posting on Hawkeye boards???

I do freely admit that idiots like you, Forever, and 99% of Clowntastic posters trip my trigger. This isn't anything unusual as stupid people always have gotten my goat.
 
deanvogs said:
Welp, I would say to be an "elite shooter" you would want to have more than a 1% better career chance of hitting a 3 pointer than Josh Oglesby. If you don't know about advanced stats there is no point to this discussion....You will just continue to spout nonsense that isn't backed up by any stats, and say things like "stats can be deceiving" cause you just simply don't have any at all to back up your nonsense.

You wanna be an elite 3 pt guy you need to shoot over 40% a year or two, and be above 38% for your career. Sullivan was an elite guy, Long is an elite guy, McGee was an elite guy. Thomas isn't close to those guys at all. He is the Josh Oglesby of ISU. .324 vs .335.....both crappy numbers for 3 pt specialist. I would say that is acceptable if you are a volume scored like a Devyn Marble, but you certainly aren't an "elite shooter" at 33%.

I have lost $100 bet on here to a Clown fan, and I paid him up through paypal. You are a smarmy POS, so now that I think about it, making a bet with someone who wouldn't pay up (while I would) is a stupid move. Plus even if he does graduate at ISU, it won't be as a "successful clone" and we would never agree to a definition on that if you think shooting 36% from the field and 33% from 3 is "elite".
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You are comparing apples and oranges. Can't really compare a senior to a sophomore. Freshman often times struggle and it is pretty dang common to see improvement in numbers throughout your career. For example...how did marbles freshman year look? I will remember y ou r definition of an elite shooter. Thomas will shoot over 40% for a year and will likely be around 38% for his career. Let's just let the next 3 years play out. And I can assure you I would pay up if thomas transfers it isn't going to happen.
 
trj said:
Eustacy had JS coming off screens for his open looks; in FH's system he is hanging out on the perimeter waiting for his shot with 3 other dudes. Once again, tell me how he is getting more than 10-15 mins. a game? Maybe, a huge maybe, given foul trouble situation, he could be a poor man's version of Kane in FH's system.
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So sullivan would be the 2nd leading scorer EVER in iowa history but yet would struggle to get 10 minutes per game this year for iowa state. Haha either you have zero respect for iowa basketball or you think this isu team has a great chance of winning a national title. Not sure why you are trying to compare sullivan and Kane zero similarities in their play.
 
ForeverIowan said:
You are comparing apples and oranges. Can't really compare a senior to a sophomore. Freshman often times struggle and it is pretty dang common to see improvement in numbers throughout your career. For example...how did marbles freshman year look? I will remember y ou r definition of an elite shooter. Thomas will shoot over 40% for a year and will likely be around 38% for his career. Let's just let the next 3 years play out. And I can assure you I would pay up if thomas transfers it isn't going to happen.
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You are right, I am comparing apples to oranges....I'm comparing elite shooters to Thomas, of course that is apples and oranges cause Thomas is nowhere near an elite shooter.

-Oglesby made more 3's as a Fr. and shot a better % than Thomas as a Fr. (neither is an elite shooter)
-Elite shooters immediately shoot for a high %, that is why they are elite
-Marble wasn't an elite shooter, he was a volume score.....Thomas is neither
 
ForeverIowan said:
So sullivan would be the 2nd leading scorer EVER in iowa history but yet would struggle to get 10 minutes per game this year for iowa state. Haha either you have zero respect for iowa basketball or you think this isu team has a great chance of winning a national title. Not sure why you are trying to compare sullivan and Kane zero similarities in their play.
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Nice spin job. What are you? A politician. Either he is getting 10-15 mins. a game as a spot up shooter hanging out on the perimeter or he is playing with the ball in his hand on an iso looking to draw fouls crashing into people. Which is it? We both know he wouldn't be on the floor because of his on-the-ball defensive skills.
 
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