Texas Governor confirms A&M considering SEC

[WhitUp]

What makes any of you think the SEC will stop at just Oklahoma and A&M? Kansas, for basketball, and Missouri with the St Louis market would still be attractive. You really want to leave them out there for the SEC to grab and have them expand into B1G markets? ESPN would be all over this! If you can get Kansas without KSU then you take them as they would be huge for Basketball. Missouri brings you Kansas City & St Louis markets and you are getting 2 natural rivalries. Obviously the B1G only makes this move if the B12 implodes otherwise they only expand if they can get ND.

Why does this only happen if the big 12 explodes, if the big ten wanted kansas/k-state/mizz, please tell me why they couldn't go out and get them right now???? Do you honestly think they wouldn't run to us right now, why does the big 12 exploding change that?

 

[HawkeyeMike23]

So what if they do, do u think the ACC/B1G or going to take a bunch of crappy academic schools that do nothing for us, just cause the SEC expanded? I'm not buying this super 16 conference stuff. Same with the pac 12 they're not taking the ttech/oky st's of the world without a package dead of a&m/texas/oky

We already took Nebraska didn't we? The B10 goes East and goes after Maryland, UConn, Syracuse, ND, Rutgers some combination of that group, all of which are ranked ahead of Iowa and well ahead of Nebraska. A group of Oklahoma, OK St and Kansas and K-State would probably work for the Pac-12. If not they try to convince Cal to agree to take a second look at BYU.

 

[PhoenixHawk]

This is a good point. What has been holding us back from having a playoff isn't that it's a good idea and could make money, it's that based on the current FBS setup of 128 (or whatever) teams there's no real way to make it work. No one want to see a
5-7 Sunbelt champ (yes, 4 years ago the Sunbelt champ finished at 5-7) in a playoff when a 12-1 SEC runner-up is sitting at home

Ultimately you're going to see a bigger, more defined split between the BCS conferences and everyone else. I think we're heading towards the BCS splitting off to create a new division, "D1+", probably with additional stipends (not actual pay) for all athletes.

I think the Big East and B12 ultimately go away. I think we're heading towards 4, 16 team super-conferences, with the winners of the championship games making up the semi-finals of a new BCS/DI+ spinoff division. The ACC, B10, and SEC would take chunks of the Big East (mostly B10 & ACC), and the B12 would split between the PAC-12, SEC, and B10. A few small market B12 & Big East teams would be left out, and your BYU's and ND's (and maybe a couple others) would be forced to get in to be part of the new DI+ division or remain forever part of the irrelevant "DIb" division, along with your New Mex St, Eastern Mich, and Troy.

This A&M talk is just driving it this way. The P12 freely admits they want 16 teams split into two mini-conference divisions. The SEC is openly planning the same thing. The problem is no one wants to make the first move until they are sure they can get Texas, since if 4 teams go from the B12, Texas will have to follow somewhere.

It's almost certain to happen. The money is getting too big to be ignored. Can you imagine how much money a three week, seven game playoff would make? It would pay more than enough to pay for the stipends necessary to split from the non-BCS FBS have-nots.

 

[WhitUp]

We already took Nebraska didn't we? The B10 goes East and goes after Maryland, UConn, Syracuse, ND, Rutgers some combination of that group, all of which are ranked ahead of Iowa and well ahead of Nebraska. A group of Oklahoma, OK St and Kansas and K-State would probably work for the Pac-12. If not they try to convince Cal to agree to take a second look at BYU.

nebreska at the time was an aau member and is a national football name, mayland/uconn/syracus/rutgers are all great academic schools but not great football schools. My question is why does the SEC going to 16 or the big 12 exploding make us want to take these teams? If it was so advantageous to us to take maryland/uconn/cuse/rutgers to go to 16 we could do that tomorrow. No question they'd join. So please explain to me why don't we just do that now, rather then do it after sec or pac goes to 16?

 

[ssckelley]

Why does this only happen if the big 12 explodes, if the big ten wanted kansas/k-state/mizz, please tell me why they couldn't go out and get them right now???? Do you honestly think they wouldn't run to us right now, why does the big 12 exploding change that?

Because right now the B1G does not need them. They are stashed away in the B12 where all that matter there is Texas. The B12 is no threat to the B1G right now nor will they ever be. The only way the B1G would need to make a move would be if the B12 is done. If these other conferences start carving the B12 up it would be stupid for the B1G not to go after Kansas & Missouri.

 

[HawkeyeMike23]

nebreska at the time was an aau member and is a national football name, mayland/uconn/syracus/rutgers are all great academic schools but not great football schools. My question is why does the SEC going to 16 or the big 12 exploding make us want to take these teams? If it was so advantageous to us to take maryland/uconn/cuse/rutgers to go to 16 we could do that tomorrow. No question they'd join. So please explain to me why don't we just do that now, rather then do it after sec or pac goes to 16?

Because it will completely blow up college football as we know it and lead to playoffs and huge change. Delaney is not going to be to pull the pin on all this change. Larry Scott and the Pac-12 went for it last year, he made it clear that he wanted 16 teams. Everyone in the B10 is making loads of money, the conference is in a very stable position, but once these changes start happening the B10 is not going to sit back and wait for other conferences to make their moves first.

 

[WhitUp]

Because right now the B1G does not need them. They are stashed away in the B12 where all that matter there is Texas. The B12 is no threat to the B1G right now nor will they ever be. The only way the B1G would need to make a move would be if the B12 is done.

That makes no sense so we split the pie with 4 more teams who really don't have any football cashee. The big 12 blowing up and teams going to the big east and mwc only makes the big ten more valueable no reason to split it up with leftover big east and big 12 teams. Look at the old SWC how value is SMU/Houston/Rice and all those crappy teams. Let them become the new colorado states there is no reason to cut them into the pie.

 

[WhitUp]

Because it will completely blow up college football as we know it and lead to playoffs and huge change. Delaney is not going to be to pull the pin on all this change. Larry Scott and the Pac-12 went for it last year, he made it clear that he wanted 16 teams. Everyone in the B10 is making loads of money, the conference is in a very stable position, but once these changes start happening the B10 is not going to sit back and wait for other conferences to make their moves first.

He wanted texas/oky/a&M.....tech and oky state were a package deal cause that's what texas and oky wanted. Do you not think tech and oky state would go to the pac 12 tomorrow if they got invited on their own????

 

[uofihawkInation]

This is a good point. What has been holding us back from having a playoff isn't that it's a good idea and could make money, it's that based on the current FBS setup of 128 (or whatever) teams there's no real way to make it work. No one want to see a
5-7 Sunbelt champ (yes, 4 years ago the Sunbelt champ finished at 5-7) in a playoff when a 12-1 SEC runner-up is sitting at home

Ultimately you're going to see a bigger, more defined split between the BCS conferences and everyone else. I think we're heading towards the BCS splitting off to create a new division, "D1+", probably with additional stipends (not actual pay) for all athletes.

I think the Big East and B12 ultimately go away. I think we're heading towards 4, 16 team super-conferences, with the winners of the championship games making up the semi-finals of a new BCS/DI+ spinoff division. The ACC, B10, and SEC would take chunks of the Big East (mostly B10 & ACC), and the B12 would split between the PAC-12, SEC, and B10. A few small market B12 & Big East teams would be left out, and your BYU's and ND's (and maybe a couple others) would be forced to get in to be part of the new DI+ division or remain forever part of the irrelevant "DIb" division, along with your New Mex St, Eastern Mich, and Troy.

This A&M talk is just driving it this way. The P12 freely admits they want 16 teams split into two mini-conference divisions. The SEC is openly planning the same thing. The problem is no one wants to make the first move until they are sure they can get Texas, since if 4 teams go from the B12, Texas will have to follow somewhere.

It's almost certain to happen. The money is getting too big to be ignored. Can you imagine how much money a three week, seven game playoff would make? It would pay more than enough to pay for the stipends necessary to split from the non-BCS FBS have-nots.

Why not just take the top 2 in each division of each conference? Or the top 4 in the conference to make the playoffs worth more money? The NCAA is already doing it to the basketball tournament and I highly doubt the football one would be kept to such a small figure. Also, I think the SEC working on A&M could actually bode well for them if they are interested in snagging Texas when everything else falls through. BTW, I'm agreeing with your playoff idea, just wondering why the NCAA would limit it so much.

 

[Palpatine]

A&M going to the SEC, Texass going independent, etc., doesn't mean catastrophe for ISU. The eight remainders can find stay stay together. Oklahoma is still a powerhouse, and they could easily invite another school or two to their conference. That conference would probably still be better than the Big East, depending on who they invite.

Texas going independent is the best thing that could happen to ISU.

 

[HawkeyeMike23]

He wanted texas/oky/a&M.....tech and oky state were a package deal cause that's what texas and oky wanted. Do you not think tech and oky state would go to the pac 12 tomorrow if they got invited on their own????

Yeah and if A&M leaves to the SEC, they might get an invitation tomorrow. Oklahoma isn't staying in a 9 team conference with no stability whatsoever. Once they start talking to the Pac-12 again, the B12 will be finished.

 

[HawkeyeMike23]

A&M going to the SEC, Texass going independent, etc., doesn't mean catastrophe for ISU. The eight remainders can find stay stay together. Oklahoma is still a powerhouse, and they could easily invite another school or two to their conference. That conference would probably still be better than the Big East, depending on who they invite.

Texas going independent is the best thing that could happen to ISU.

I get the feeling you don't get how this all works. Texas and A&M leaving means the B12's big TV pay deal doesn't happen. It means Oklahoma starts looking elsewhere. Basically the end of the B12 as a BCS conference.

 

[Palpatine]

What does this do for Perry's presidential run? What happens if A&M isn't talking to anybody, and he ends up looking stupid with this?

 

[ssckelley]

That makes no sense so we split the pie with 4 more teams who really don't have any football cashee. The big 12 blowing up and teams going to the big east and mwc only makes the big ten more valueable no reason to split it up with leftover big east and big 12 teams. Look at the old SWC how value is SMU/Houston/Rice and all those crappy teams. Let them become the new colorado states there is no reason to cut them into the pie.

But you are not talking SMU, Houston, or Rice here. You are talking about Kansas and Missouri, these 2 schools carry a lot more clout athletically, academically, and televisions (markets). There will still be parts of the B12 that will probably drop to a mid major status (Baylor, ISU, KSU come to mind). I doubt either Kansas or Missouri would need to be "cut into the pie" as each of the should be able to pay for themselves. Kansas has a huge appeal nationally in basketball and Missouri brings in the St Louis & Kansas City market. I don't think the B1G really wants either the Big East or SEC looking at these schools. Some of this has to do with protecting your own territory. This is Big Ten country, not SEC or Big East land.

 

[Palpatine]

I get the feeling you don't get how this all works. Texas and A&M leaving means the B12's big TV pay deal doesn't happen. It means Oklahoma starts looking elsewhere. Basically the end of the B12 as a BCS conference.

I get how it works. I'm saying OU can anchor a conference, and somebody is going to give them a decent contract. The Pac12 has a good deal right now, and they don't need OU.

 

[WhitUp]

Yeah and if A&M leaves to the SEC, they might get an invitation tomorrow. Oklahoma isn't staying in a 9 team conference with no stability whatsoever. Once they start talking to the Pac-12 again, the B12 will be finished.

Yeah they'd get an invite to the SEC I agree. I'm not so sure they would get an invite to the pac 12 without a&M and texas involved. They'd end up in the sec IMO

 

[ssckelley]

A&M going to the SEC, Texass going independent, etc., doesn't mean catastrophe for ISU. The eight remainders can find stay stay together. Oklahoma is still a powerhouse, and they could easily invite another school or two to their conference. That conference would probably still be better than the Big East, depending on who they invite.

Texas going independent is the best thing that could happen to ISU.

I think if you're ISU, KSU, or Baylor you start getting down on your hands and knees begging Texas to keep the conference together.

 

[HawkeyeMike23]

Yeah they'd get an invite to the SEC I agree. I'm not so sure they would get an invite to the pac 12 without a&M and texas involved. They'd end up in the sec IMO

The SEC might take one more from the B12 besides A&M but they want Miami Florida St or Clemson more than Oklahoma St or Texas Tech.

 

[WhitUp]

But you are not talking SMU, Houston, or Rice here. You are talking about Kansas and Missouri, these 2 schools carry a lot more clout athletically, academically, and televisions (markets). There will still be parts of the B12 that will probably drop to a mid major status (Baylor, ISU, KSU come to mind). I doubt either Kansas or Missouri would need to be "cut into the pie" as each of the should be able to pay for themselves. Kansas has a huge appeal nationally in basketball and Missouri brings in the St Louis & Kansas City market. I don't think the B1G really wants either the Big East or SEC looking at these schools. Some of this has to do with protecting your own territory. This is Big Ten country, not SEC or Big East land.

Again how many times do i have to ask the question without someone answering me? If this is true, why do we have to wait for the big 12 to explode? if you think kansas or mizz wouldn't run to the big 10 with an invite right now your crazy. So why don't we do it now? What does other conferences do change what we want to do? We had 11 teams for 18 years while every other conference went to 12 and had a championship game we didn't care. The last two teams we added we're penn state and nebbie great schools, so nobody's going to convince me we're going to be sheep and invite mizz/kansas/maryland/uconn/cuse just to react to what the sec does or the big 12 blows up and their teams need somewhere to play. What in the history of the big ten makes anyone believe this?

 

[WhitUp]

The SEC might take one more from the B12 besides A&M but they want Miami Florida St or Clemson more than Oklahoma St or Texas Tech.

i was talking about oklahom getting invite to the sec. Oky state or ttech have no chance for an invite unless it's a package deal to any bcs conference not named the big east