Sure is quiet on here...

HawkeyeBBall said:
I know that I will always want to remind IowaHawkeyes89 :) He is starting to come around on this thread already!
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Remind me what?

If we lose by 20 on Saturday, can I remind you of my post?

People labeling people as "bandwagon fans" for being objective just look like idiots.
 
iowahawkeyes89 said:
Remind me what?

If we lose by 20 on Saturday, can I remind you of my post?

People labeling people as "bandwagon fans" for being objective just look like idiots.
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Amen my brother, just gotta let them have their night because nothing that happens will change their views.
 
iowahawkeyes89 said:
Remind me what?

If we lose by 20 on Saturday, can I remind you of my post?

People labeling people as "bandwagon fans" for being objective just look like idiots.
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So what type of fan only comes on when the BB team has lost a game? Honest question, not labeling you but there are many others who haven't posted anything tonight because of the fact that the Hawks won.
 
IAJay said:
My wish is that every team plays a 1-3-1 zone against Iowa for the rest of the season. Why any team would ever do that against Iowa is beyond me and they deserve to get blown out of the building like NW tonight. Iowa is built to play against the zone yet these stubborn coaches continue to do it which just doesn't make sense to me.
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I take it you missed the Michigan and 1st Ohio State game?

BTW against NU's man-to-man earlier we were on fire and getting in down low a lot. I thought they needed to change it.
 
blkngoldUofI said:
So what type of fan only comes on when the BB team has lost a game? Honest question, not labeling you but there are many others who haven't posted anything tonight because of the fact that the Hawks won.
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I actually avoid these boards when we lose games, for the most part. I get it, I know theres those people who are hard to please. But you should be able to distinguish between people being fair weather, and people being honest about what the product is. (Iowa basketball being the product)
 
HawkeyeNTexas said:
Live and Die by the 3. Iowa lived tonight.
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Yeah thats one of the things that I don't necessarily like about the system. However early in the game we were able to go inside, which really opened things up on the perimeter.

I'm hoping Cody Larson has some skills in the paint, because I cringe when Cole trys to score inside. He just really struggles holding on to the ball, and doesn't seem to have that "smoothness" about him.
 
JDavis11 said:
I take it you missed the Michigan and 1st Ohio State game?

BTW against NU's man-to-man earlier we were on fire and getting in down low a lot. I thought they needed to change it.
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Ohio State played a 3/4 court 1-3-1 which is completely different than the half court version. Ohio State also has a line up of 6'4 or taller with Turner at the point of the zone. Michigan is also much more physical than NW and I would be surprised if they go to the 1-3-1 against Iowa after watching the tape tonight.

If Bawinkle is on, you cannot throw that look at Iowa and that is the same way Iowa almost won at OSU last year as well.
 
iowahawkeyes89 said:
Yeah thats one of the things that I don't necessarily like about the system. However early in the game we were able to go inside, which really opened things up on the perimeter.

I'm hoping Cody Larson has some skills in the paint, because I cringe when Cole trys to score inside. He just really struggles holding on to the ball, and doesn't seem to have that "smoothness" about him.
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89 - Have to agree on your point. Absolutely LOVE Cole for his work ethic, determination and hustle, just wish he was a couple inches taller. His strength helps him tremendously but he seems to get a bit intimidated by taller players sometimes and tries to hurry a bit to much. I think that is what causes his struggles hanging on to the ball and also causes the "out of control" moves from time to time.
 
IAJay said:
Ohio State played a 3/4 court 1-3-1 which is completely different than the half court version. Ohio State also has a line up of 6'4 or taller with Turner at the point of the zone. Michigan is also much more physical than NW and I would be surprised if they go to the 1-3-1 against Iowa after watching the tape tonight.

If Bawinkle is on, you cannot throw that look at Iowa and that is the same way Iowa almost won at OSU last year as well.
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Good points but when Iowa is up 10-2 with three straight lay-ups and then up 22-11 (when 13/22 points came from points in the paint or FT's from getting it down low) you have to change something. We had already made 3 three's at that point so I don't blame our 3pts success solely on the switch to zone but also on our ability to penetrate against the man-man.
 
JDavis11 said:
Good points but when Iowa is up 10-2 with three straight lay-ups and then up 22-11 (when 13/22 points came from points in the paint or FT's from getting it down low) you have to change something. We had already made 3 three's at that point so I don't blame our 3pts success solely on the switch to zone but also on our ability to penetrate against the man-man.
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Was it me or do you think they had the thinnest front line in D-1? Rowley was big but he was an incredible stiff on offense.
 
I noticed there are a few posters who are mysteriously absent this evening. I am sure they will be back if(probably) Iowa loses at Purdue. Did somebody on here actually say this was a boring game? If Iowa hits their FT's, they score 85-90 pts tonight. If that bores you, then I don't know what to tell you.

That's the great thing. Iowa wins comfortably but Lick can let them know there is still work to be done at the FT line. Especially Cully Payne. I still love watching Payne play. He is tough and I think he is going to have a great Iowa career. Probably the best overall game as a team this year. Hopefully they can build on it over the remaining games.
 
ForeverHawk said:
I noticed there are a few posters who are mysteriously absent this evening. I am sure they will be back if(probably) Iowa loses at Purdue. Did somebody on here actually say this was a boring game? If Iowa hits their FT's, they score 85-90 pts tonight. If that bores you, then I don't know what to tell you.

That's the great thing. Iowa wins comfortably but Lick can let them know there is still work to be done at the FT line. Especially Cully Payne. I still love watching Payne play. He is tough and I think he is going to have a great Iowa career. Probably the best overall game as a team this year. Hopefully they can build on it over the remaining games.
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First off, thank you for not using any exclamation points there. Secondly, yes I thought it was an incredibly slow, boring game. I enjoy watching good basketball, not just Iowa victories. This game was a product of the two systems that were going against each other.
 
I also will be a token hater. Any system that is built on taking low percentage shots will result in overall losing records. As exciting as the three point shot is, it just doesn't create as many scoring opportunities as a lay-up or short jumper from the post.

Lickliter's system limits the likelihood of multi-shot possessions, offensive rebounds, opposing team foul trouble, free throw attempts, and the ability to score when the clock is stopped, while the personnel required to run it (essentially one true center/power forward, three shooting guards and a point) give teams that run a conventional system based on rebounding and points in the paint a distinct height/power advantage on offense.

I am far from a fairweather fan; I've been around for at least twenty years of memorable Hawkeye basketball and not all of those years were great. You can count me as one of the people that think any win right now is a step in the wrong direction, because I believe the system is predicated on false pretenses and requires a greater amount of luck to succeed than skillful play and clever strategy. Since I do not believe in the system, and believe it is a bad fit for consistent competitive results in the Big Ten conference, I do not believe in the creator and teacher of the system. With each win the system produces the likelihood of the removal of the coach that schemed and taught it decreases.

So while it is painful to watch the Hawks get beat up by most Big Ten teams, it is necessary pain. Like chemo to rid the body of cancer, losses are necessary to rid Iowa City of Lickliter.
 
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It was nice to see Iowa actually run a little tonight. It wasn't much. But I will take what I can get.

As was said, we lived by the 3 tonight. But we also had some good post play at times tonight. We need to continue to improve on that.
 
cincyhawk said:
I also will be a token hater. Any system that is built on taking low percentage shots will result in overall losing records. As exciting as the three point shot is, it just doesn't create as many scoring opportunities as a lay-up or short jumper from the post.

Lickliter's system limits the likelihood of multi-shot possessions, offensive rebounds, opposing team foul trouble, free throw attempts, and the ability to score when the clock is stopped, while the personnel required to run it (essentially one true center/power forward, three shooting guards and a point) give teams that run a conventional system based on rebounding and points in the paint a distinct height/power advantage on offense.

I am far from a fairweather fan; I've been around for at least twenty years of memorable Hawkeye basketball and not all of those years were great. You can count me as one of the people that think any win right now is a step in the wrong direction, because I believe the system is predicated on false pretenses and requires a greater amount of luck to succeed than skillful play and clever strategy. Since I do not believe in the system, and believe it is a bad fit for consistent competitive results in the Big Ten conference, I do not believe in the creator and teacher of the system. With each win the system produces the likelihood of the removal of the coach that schemed and taught it decreases.

So while it is painful to watch the Hawks get beat up by most Big Ten teams, it is necessary pain. Like chemo to rid the body of cancer, losses are necessary to rid Iowa City of Lickliter.
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As you claim "The SYSTEM" gives more conventional teams an advantage, have you noticed Butler was in the SWEET SIXTEEN twice during the time Coack Lick was there?? I guess "THE SYSTEM" wan't work!!!
 
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