Support for Detractors of Cy-Hawk Game

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NorthKCHawk

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For those who lament this game as a no-win situation for Iowa, you clearly see support for this position in this week's polls. Iowa played the most highly ranked ISU team it will probably ever face in an early season match-up. The Clowns were a preseason Top 25, were 26 going into the game, and even attracted a Game Day visit on a lackluster weekend of college football. Yet, with all of that juice for the game, Iowa moves up exactly 1 position in the polls, and sits directly behind two teams with a quality loss each.

College football has no respect for the Clowns. Beating them, at their place, in front of killer crowd with the eyes of the nation, were visited with a ho-hum response from pollsters. Of course, if we had lost, it would by no means be considered a quality loss keeping Iowa in the rankings.

Wins over Iowa State do nothing for Iowa. That is just a true statement. I am not advocating against the game, BTW, it is what it is.
 
They should play this game every other year at most and use the alternating dates to play another P5 opponent. Each 4 year atete WOD get 1 home and 1 roadie shot at 'lil bro.
 
NorthKCHawk said:
For those who lament this game as a no-win situation for Iowa, you clearly see support for this position in this week's polls. Iowa played the most highly ranked ISU team it will probably ever face in an early season match-up. The Clowns were a preseason Top 25, were 26 going into the game, and even attracted a Game Day visit on a lackluster weekend of college football. Yet, with all of that juice for the game, Iowa moves up exactly 1 position in the polls, and sits directly behind two teams with a quality loss each.

College football has no respect for the Clowns. Beating them, at their place, in front of killer crowd with the eyes of the nation, were visited with a ho-hum response from pollsters. Of course, if we had lost, it would by no means be considered a quality loss keeping Iowa in the rankings.

Wins over Iowa State do nothing for Iowa. That is just a true statement. I am not advocating against the game, BTW, it is what it is.
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What was there like 1 loss above us? We were never gonna jump to #10 and frankly we don't deserve that yet as we are not yet the 10th best team in the country. 18 is just fine right now.
 
NorthKCHawk said:
For those who lament this game as a no-win situation for Iowa, you clearly see support for this position in this week's polls. Iowa played the most highly ranked ISU team it will probably ever face in an early season match-up. The Clowns were a preseason Top 25, were 26 going into the game, and even attracted a Game Day visit on a lackluster weekend of college football. Yet, with all of that juice for the game, Iowa moves up exactly 1 position in the polls, and sits directly behind two teams with a quality loss each.

College football has no respect for the Clowns. Beating them, at their place, in front of killer crowd with the eyes of the nation, were visited with a ho-hum response from pollsters. Of course, if we had lost, it would by no means be considered a quality loss keeping Iowa in the rankings.

Wins over Iowa State do nothing for Iowa. That is just a true statement. I am not advocating against the game, BTW, it is what it is.
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Everyone right above Iowa won except for MSU. And Iowa moved ahead of them in the poll in which they were ranked behind them prior to the game.

Its hard to move up unless teams ahead of you lose or you beat a highly ranked team.
 
NorthKCHawk said:
For those who lament this game as a no-win situation for Iowa, you clearly see support for this position in this week's polls. Iowa played the most highly ranked ISU team it will probably ever face in an early season match-up. The Clowns were a preseason Top 25, were 26 going into the game, and even attracted a Game Day visit on a lackluster weekend of college football. Yet, with all of that juice for the game, Iowa moves up exactly 1 position in the polls, and sits directly behind two teams with a quality loss each.

College football has no respect for the Clowns. Beating them, at their place, in front of killer crowd with the eyes of the nation, were visited with a ho-hum response from pollsters. Of course, if we had lost, it would by no means be considered a quality loss keeping Iowa in the rankings.

Wins over Iowa State do nothing for Iowa. That is just a true statement. I am not advocating against the game, BTW, it is what it is.
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You should probably learn how the process works before posting....well about anything really
 
AP poll doesn’t matter anymore other than talking about it

Only one ranked team ahead of us lost.

The 3 one loss teams ranked ahead of us are:

Texas lost to LSU
Oregon lost to Auburn
TXAM lost to Clemson

The only thing I would complain about is the UCF love.

they beat down a better-than-average west coast team at their place while Iowa traveled to and clawed to a win over a better-than-average in-State rival.

But ... it’s early.
 
Agreed. We need to move on past this series. Getting more experience playing teams out West (PAC-10) and preparing for them would do our program much more than beating the clowns or feeding their lesser (albeit improved) program any attention. They need us more than we need them. I still get a chuckle out of the female interviewer talking to Campbell before the game saying that "kids that go to ISU come here to play games against Iowa."

I seriously doubt kids go to Iowa to play games against Iowa St. I would think it be to compete in the Big Ten, win the conference, and go to the Rose Bowl or College Football Playoffs.
 
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DDThompson said:
AP poll doesn’t matter anymore other than talking about it

Only one ranked team ahead of us lost.

The 3 one loss teams ranked ahead of us are:

Texas lost to LSU
Oregon lost to Auburn
TXAM lost to Clemson

The only thing I would complain about is the UCF love.

they beat down a better-than-average west coast team at their place while Iowa traveled to and clawed to a win over a better-than-average in-State rival.

But ... it’s early.
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Ah, perspective and facts.
 
Iowa beat the #26 team at their place by 1 point. Most voters probably looked at that and thought, yeah #18 is about right for Iowa. No need to move them up any higher.

By the way, if you want Iowa to get more respect for its ooc schedule, you don't get rid of ISU. Instead you replace Miami-Ohio or MTSU with another P5 team. That's how you beef up a schedule.
 
In addition to the general one-sided nature of this relationship with ISU generally, I also do not see this particular team as competing for a Big 12 title, as many predicted. I do not see nearly enough offense to compete in the No D Big 12.
 
guffus said:
Iowa beat the #26 team at their place by 1 point. Most voters probably looked at that and thought, yeah #18 is about right for Iowa. No need to move them up any higher.

By the way, if you want Iowa to get more respect for its ooc schedule, you don't get rid of ISU. Instead you replace Miami-Ohio or MTSU with another P5 team. That's how you beef up a schedule.
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This is true but a 9 game Big 10 schedule is really tough as a team can be pretty good and still lose 4 of those 9 games.

I can see why KF and Iowa want to schedule a lighter team in the opener as they have to play P5 ISU who most generally is not even ranked in the top 40. Yes they could add another midling type P5 team for the last and third non conf game on a home and home basis and I am for that.

But I dont think Iowa needs to play perennial Top 15 teams like Georgia, LSU, Clemson, Texas, OU while still playing Iowa State.

I would rather play Iowa State home and home about every 6th and 7th year and play other P5 teams on home and home basis. I dont see why people have such a problem playing PAC 12 teams like Colorado or Utah, or Wash St. etc
 
NorthKCHawk said:
In addition to the general one-sided nature of this relationship with ISU generally, I also do not see this particular team as competing for a Big 12 title, as many predicted. I do not see nearly enough offense to compete in the No D Big 12.
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I think they can have a pretty strong passing attack but not sure about their running game (which they only need to have good enough running to keep the other non-defensive teams honest).
 
All Iowa has to do is give up 1 home game once every 6 years and they then can play a 2nd P5 team OOC once every 3 years.

And I found the perfect year to give up a home game. 2024.

Iowa will stay play ISU, Wisc, NW and Neb in Iowa City in 2024.
The Big Ten cross-overs that year are Rut, MD and Indy.

2024 is the perfect year to give up a home game and play a different P5 team OOC on the road.
 
Yes, I know it’s an open forum and you can piss & moan about the game as much as you want:

But the Iowa-Iowa St game is not going away.

There are no new arguments for/against.

To make the CFP then lose at most one conference game and win the Big10 title. If it’s such a bad program then just beat them and add a W each season. Simple.

All the angst against it is “spitting” in the wind.
 
guffus said:
Iowa beat the #26 team at their place by 1 point. Most voters probably looked at that and thought, yeah #18 is about right for Iowa. No need to move them up any higher.

By the way, if you want Iowa to get more respect for its ooc schedule, you don't get rid of ISU. Instead you replace Miami-Ohio or MTSU with another P5 team. That's how you beef up a schedule.
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Agree. ISU is still a P5 team and doing fairly well now. Might as well keep them if you win 75% of the time. Why schedule a West coast team for a home-and-home when the travel is just going to muck you up.
 
It feels a bit disappointing as a fan to see the Hawks only move up 1 spot in the rankings after beating ISU in Ames, but at the same time, this ranking is exactly where it needs to be. It's only the third week of the season and these rankings don't mean squat until after the 2nd or 3rd conference game in OCTOBER. Now, as long as the Hawks continue to take care of business in the next few weeks (which will be difficult @ Mich and against PSU, but they have the ponies to do so) and if the Cyclones are as good as advertised (which I think they are) and make some noise in the B12, this win will pay dividends in the rankings (and possible in the playoff talks) later in the season. Be patient young grasshoppers, and don't jump off the the Cy-Hawk cliff just yet. As long as ISU can sustain their success and change the narrative on their program under Matt Campbell, this series will become substantially more influential on the early rankings and the narratives of playoff talks in the coming years.
 
Polls are nothing more than than the collective opinions of a small group of informed, not always knowledgeable, people. I would not use this one event for the basis of not playing ISU in football. My beef is with an annual game. With a 9 game B1G schedule that leaves 3 non con games, which two should be used to get some players game experience and correct issues. The P5 game always being ISU does not permit the flexibility needed for scheduling.
 
guffus said:
Iowa beat the #26 team at their place by 1 point. Most voters probably looked at that and thought, yeah #18 is about right for Iowa. No need to move them up any higher.

By the way, if you want Iowa to get more respect for its ooc schedule, you don't get rid of ISU. Instead you replace Miami-Ohio or MTSU with another P5 team. That's how you beef up a schedule.
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So, Iowa should schedule 11 P5 teams per year? That's fine, but what are others doing?
 
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